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Abortion is one, if not the largest social issue in the 2008 election. As a Christian conservative I am often faced with the question by many people "Should it be allowed?". When I tell them my position on abortion is that is should be legal in no circumstances(besides when we know the baby will die immediately after birth from deformation or such) the conversation heads in a predictable way. I am often questioned about rape. Here is what I would believe is the solution to the issue of abortion. The solution is to eliminate the perceived need for abortion in the first place, in other words, stop rape.

Rape is a very large factor in the abortion debate. Pro-choice supporters often cite rape as a major reason for the necessity of abortion as a choice. What do I say? Instead of killing the child make sure the rapist is either killed or spends the rest of his life in jail with no possibility or parole. Mandating the death penalty or a life sentence for rapists would be a good idea in order to strongly discourage the crime. Our justice system is not effective if it gives rapists, or other criminals for that matter, a relaxed sentence. That encourages criminal behavior. Consistent, tough sentences discourage criminal acts.

The second and final part of my solution to the rape problem is to strongly encourage gun ownership among responsible citizens in the US. This works for crime in general as well. This way, if a criminal breaks into a persons house, they will be stopped and eliminated before any crime occurs. For people skeptical of this idea, which I can understand, I have an example of this succeeding. In the town of Kennesaw, Georgia citizens are required to own and maintain a gun. As a result, their town has not experienced a single murder in 25 years, gun ownership is also extremely effective on other types of crime. If people can easily defend themselves from rape, it will dramatically lower the incidence of it.

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I support life without parole for convicted rape victims. And yes thankfully our 2nd amendment rights do allow people to protect themselves from rapists. But I don't support any mandatory gun ownership laws. That decision is up to the individual American. We have a right to bear arms but it is not a requirement.

*Edit: And I'll add to the discussion on abortion. In my opinion the only legal justification is if the mother will die if pregnancy is carried out or if the baby will certainly die regardless of birth.
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I support life without parole for convicted rape victims. And yes thankfully our 2nd amendment rights do allow people to protect themselves from rapists. But I don't support any mandatory gun ownership laws. That decision is up to the individual American. We have a right to bear arms but it is not a requirement.

*Edit: And I'll add to the discussion on abortion. In my opinion the only legal justification is if the mother will die if pregnancy is carried out or if the baby will certainly die regardless of birth.
Notice how I said to "strongly encourage" gun ownership. Later, i was simply citing a state which required gun ownership to provide evidence that it works.
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You think that you can stop rape? Good luck, nobody has managed to pull it off yet, why do you think abortion is wrong?
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why do you think abortion is wrong?
Taking innocent human life against it's will = wrong.
Life is too cheap in this society. We're to the point that children know they could have just as easily wound up terminated and in a dumpster depending on mom's financial status or mental/emotional state of mind at any given time.
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"Taking innocent human life against it's will = wrong."

Before saying that you need to prove that life and consciousness begin before birth. I haven't seen one shred of proof to indicate that. It is the mothers choice, not yours.
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"Taking innocent human life against it's will = wrong."

Before saying that you need to prove that life and consciousness begin before birth. I haven't seen one shred of proof to indicate that. It is the mothers choice, not yours.
When you intentionally keep someone from living you kill them. That IS exactly what abortion is about. Preventing a ready to be born child from living. There is no getting around that.
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prolifers are fighting an uphill battle.

nothing indicates that life begins at conception
nothing in the christian bible indicates that life begins at conception
that religious beliefs are even factored in automatically disqualify an argument
even if life begins at conception, unborn persons have no rights
even if unborn persons were to be given rights, you have the mother's to consider

there is no rational or practical way to prohibit abortions.

the best thing prolifers can do is stop complaining and employing guilt trips, and start encouraging (in a positive way) pregnant mothers to give birth and provide them with free medical assistance and counseling on parenting or adoption.
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nothing indicates that life begins at conception
It is a basic biological fact that the cells are growing and that alone means it is alive and it has a life. It also has it's own unique genetic code and is an individual, not just the cells of another person. It ceases to live and grow whenever it is killed by an abortionist.
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nothing in the christian bible indicates that life begins at conception
that religious beliefs are even factored in automatically disqualify an argument
I'm certainly not starting or practicing a religion; just trying to stop my fellow Americans from ignoring our constitution and violating the basic rights of those that need the most protection.
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where are you getting this definition of life? it ceases to live when its removed from the mother, it cant survive on its own.

who is ignoring the constitution? what does the constitution say about the unborn? unborn persons arent even citizens yet...
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