Thread: New law allows doctors to withhold information that may lead to abortions

Originally Posted by DixNickson

She was a victim too. Her attorneys had a political agenda and she was simply a body part needed to promote it.

Norma McCorvey was seeking an abortion when it was illegal in Texas. She was introduced to her lawyers and a lawsuit was filed. When she realized the case would not be settled before the birth of her baby, McCorvey told her lawyers, "Let's do this for other women." She gave up her baby for adoption, because she was unmarried and unable to care for it. She was indeed a victim of Texas anti-abortion laws.

She had her child and she saw the err of the choice argument she had been suckered into.

Not at all.

In 1989, McCorvey decided to ally herself publicly with the abortion rights movement. Shortly before she participated in a large pro-choice rally in Washington, D.C., someone fired gunshots at her house and car, in one of many incidents of harassment she has had to endure since making her identity known. Frightened but undaunted, she joined the April 9 rally and made a speech on Capitol Hill before hundreds of thousands of people. McCorvey worked for a time at a family planning clinic and traveled around the United States giving speeches promoting the reproductive rights of women.

In August 1995, McCorvey announced that she had switched sides on the abortion debate. "I'm pro-life," McCorvey stated. "I think I have always been pro-life, I just didn't know it." McCorvey's reversal was attributed to her new friendship with the Reverend Philip ("Flip") Benham, national director of the militant antiabortion group Operation Rescue. The group had moved its national headquarters into an office next to the clinic where McCorvey worked. After being baptized by Benham, McCorvey declared that she would work on behalf of Operation Rescue.

http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Roe_v_Wade.aspx

"You won't be seeing Norma for awhile," Benham said during an appearance on Pat Robertson's "700 Club." "We're going to intensively disciple her."

http://www.publiceye.org/ifas/fw/9509/update.html

Speaking of being used (suckered into)...

Originally Posted by DixNickson

She was a victim too. Her attorneys had a political agenda and she was simply a body part needed to promote it.

Norma McCorvey was seeking an abortion when it was illegal in Texas. She was introduced to her lawyers and a lawsuit was filed. When she realized the case would not be settled before the birth of her baby, McCorvey told her lawyers, "Let's do this for other women." She gave up her baby for adoption, because she was unmarried and unable to care for it. She was indeed a victim of Texas anti-abortion laws.

She had her child and she saw the err of the choice argument she had been suckered into.

Not at all.

In 1989, McCorvey decided to ally herself publicly with the abortion rights movement. Shortly before she participated in a large pro-choice rally in Washington, D.C., someone fired gunshots at her house and car, in one of many incidents of harassment she has had to endure since making her identity known. Frightened but undaunted, she joined the April 9 rally and made a speech on Capitol Hill before hundreds of thousands of people. McCorvey worked for a time at a family planning clinic and traveled around the United States giving speeches promoting the reproductive rights of women.

In August 1995, McCorvey announced that she had switched sides on the abortion debate. "I'm pro-life," McCorvey stated. "I think I have always been pro-life, I just didn't know it." McCorvey's reversal was attributed to her new friendship with the Reverend Philip ("Flip") Benham, national director of the militant antiabortion group Operation Rescue. The group had moved its national headquarters into an office next to the clinic where McCorvey worked. After being baptized by Benham, McCorvey declared that she would work on behalf of Operation Rescue.

http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Roe_v_Wade.aspx

"You won't be seeing Norma for awhile," Benham said during an appearance on Pat Robertson's "700 Club." "We're going to intensively disciple her."

http://www.publiceye.org/ifas/fw/9509/update.html

Speaking of being used (suckered into)...

Originally Posted by DixNickson

She was a victim too. Her attorneys had a political agenda and she was simply a body part needed to promote it.

She had her child and she saw the err of the choice argument she had been suckered into.

I wonder if her (now adult) child is for imposing the fate that he or she escaped those many years ago upon other developing children?

that is like saying a child of rape would support rape being legal when they grow up, because they would not exist if the rape never happened

Originally Posted by FreshAir

that is like saying a child of rape would support rape being legal when they grow up, because they would not exist if the rape never happened

No FA. Sorry my question was the inspiration for your thought, but that was not my question at all.

Would you wish a near death event you escaped on another?

Originally Posted by Cady

Norma McCorvey was seeking an abortion when it was illegal in Texas. She was introduced to her lawyers and a lawsuit was filed. When she realized the case would not be settled before the birth of her baby, McCorvey told her lawyers, "Let's do this for other women." She gave up her baby for adoption, because she was unmarried and unable to care for it. She was indeed a victim of Texas anti-abortion laws.

Is that the way Norma sees it?

Not at all.


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Speaking of being used (suckered into)...

What is she up to now? Has she flipped on her abortion issue position? Are you disappointed in how she is living her life?

Originally Posted by DixNickson

Is that the way Norma sees it?

The way Norma sees it now is a direct result of this man, Flip Benham, of Operation Rescue. He moved into a building next door to the clinic where NM was working, befriended her, baptised her, and began, (in his words) to "intensively disciple" her.

Under the Texas anti-abortion laws, NM was denied autonomy of her own body on three occasions. She was forced to give birth, first as a victim of domestic abuse at 16, then twice more while penniless and working for the circus. All three babies were given up for adoption.

What is she up to now? Has she flipped on her abortion issue position? Are you disappointed in how she is living her life?

Who knows how her life might have been different if she had been allowed to choose her own timing for having children. She might have had the resources to raise and love them herself.

Originally Posted by Cady

The way Norma sees it now is a direct result of this man, Flip Benham, of Operation Rescue. He moved into a building next door to the clinic where NM was working, befriended her, baptised her, and began, (in his words) to "intensively disciple" her.

Under the Texas anti-abortion laws, NM was denied autonomy of her own body on three occasions. She was forced to give birth, first as a victim of domestic abuse at 16, then twice more while penniless and working for the circus. All three babies were given up for adoption.

Who knows how her life might have been different if she had been allowed to choose her own timing for having children. She might have had the resources to raise and love them herself.

Thanks Cady,

Does domestic abuse = rape and Texas law didn't allow for rape victims to abort the child?

Well hopefully she (NM) is happy and whole now (ref. your picture). Many times life isn't or at least doesn't seem fair. Here is a woman who could take a goodly portion of credit for now fifty plus million dead and instead she rejects that which could bring her worldly rewards all because she saw someone with an opposing moral stance as a human being instead of her enemy.

Some of us may argue our positions thinking that if we state it just so we can change another's heart. That territory, (imo) is Another's domain. Who one welcomes into their heart is usually the ruler of that heart. Though Flip most likely saw her position on abortion as one embracing a spiritual death. I don't think he, Flip changed her heart. The words he shared are more likely than not attributed to another Author.

The children given up for adoption, do you know, has NM met with them, are they happy people?

Originally Posted by DixNickson

Does domestic abuse = rape and Texas law didn't allow for rape victims to abort the child?

No, it doesn't always. I don't know if she was a victim of spousal rape (which wasn't even acknowledged until the 1970's), but she was a victim of domestic abuse at age 16 when she became pregnant.

Well hopefully she (NM) is happy and whole now (ref. your picture). Many times life isn't or at least doesn't seem fair. Here is a woman who could take a goodly portion of credit for now fifty plus million dead

Fifty million...what? Fifty million babies not born doesn't equal fifty million dead babies.

and instead she rejects that which could bring her worldly rewards

And you think she wasn't rewarded for going to work for Operation Rescue? She most recently made news when arrested as a protester at the Sotomayor confirmation. When interviewed, she didn't know Sotomayor's name or even her record on abortion, so it certainly seems she is being exploited for her name.

all because she saw someone with an opposing moral stance as a human being instead of her enemy.

Because this particular one didn't shoot at her house and car...

I don't think he, Flip changed her heart.

Isn't that the purpose of "intensive discipling"?

The words he shared are more likely than not attributed to another Author.

The Author said nothing about abortion.

Originally Posted by Cady

No, it doesn't always. I don't know if she was a victim of spousal rape (which wasn't even acknowledged until the 1970's), but she was a victim of domestic abuse at age 16 when she became pregnant.

But you associate her pregnancy with the abuse?

Fifty million...what? Fifty million babies not born doesn't equal fifty million dead babies.

Cady, fifty million plus and counting lives have been snuffed out.

And you think she wasn't rewarded for going to work for Operation Rescue? She most recently made news when arrested as a protester at the Sotomayor confirmation. When interviewed, she didn't know Sotomayor's name or even her record on abortion, so it certainly seems she is being exploited for her name

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I don't know about any earthly compensation package she may have and can only guess at the other reward.

Because this particular one didn't shoot at her house and car...

That's a plus! But if she had Texans shooting at her she'd be pushin' daisies. Musta been some NYC Yankees.

Isn't that the purpose of "intensive discipling"?

Would need to know exactly what that entailed?

The Author said nothing about abortion.

If He didn't do you think He would have left us in the dark about His will regarding it? Can you see Jesus Christ encouraging women to abort (though I could see His opponent preaching that)? And if the Author of Life did address abortion as a hurtful experience would that change your heart? Would you would then become an advocate for the unborn?

Originally Posted by DixNickson

But you associate her pregnancy with the abuse?

I associate her unwanted pregnancy with abuse.

Cady, fifty million plus and counting lives have been snuffed out.

Wouldn't that depend on when life begins? What about Genesis 2:7, when God "breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul"?

If He didn't do you think He would have left us in the dark about His will regarding it?

I think it would have been explicitly condemned and it wasn't.

And if the Author of Life did address abortion as a hurtful experience would that change your heart? Would you would then become an advocate for the unborn?

And if He had addressed childbirth as a hurtful experience would you then become an advocate for abortion rights?