Thread: New law allows doctors to withhold information that may lead to abortions

Originally Posted by churchmouse

Yes you are….

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http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Pagan


http://www.religioustolerance.org/paganism2.htm

" a person who does not follow an main Abrahamic religion. That is, their faith does not recognize Abraham as a patriarch. The individual is neither Christian, Muslim, Baha'i nor Jew. Pagans under this definition would include Agnostics, Atheists, Buddhists, Hindus, Humanists, Scientologists, Taoists, Wiccans, etc. About 45% of the people of the world are Pagans, by this definition."


Here is a good site with definitions…


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pagan

What do you do with those you consider Pagans, Churchmouse?

Originally Posted by Junkieturtle

Yes I seem to recall quite a few innocent first born Egyptian sons losing their lives in one of the stories. I'm sure there were children in Sodom and/or Gomorrah as well. How many children died during Noah's flood? How many children died at the hands of "God's people" as they were conquering the holy lands(and I'm not talking the crusades, I'm talking the biblical conquests).

Indeed, God has been one of the most ardent advocates of killing children around.

Originally Posted by Cady

And that's why you told me you supported a woman's right to self-abort??? I don't think you are "pro-life" at all; I think you are anti-woman.

I believe that God gave us free will. Right or wrong a woman if she wants to kill herself…anyone for that matter…they are responsible. I would guess that you also would support someones right to end their own life. Am I right on this? Why should you or anyone stop someone from living if they want to die. So if a woman wants to kill herself because she is pregnant…you would condone this. Am I right? You condone her killing the life inside her….why not her own life?

Oh your right….I am anti-woman if the law allows her to kill. You are anti-children because you are pro-killing the life in the womb. Which of our views is pro-death, mine or yours? You are pro-death to children and that says it all about you.

Originally Posted by Makedde

A pregnant woman is entitled to know if her fetus is healthy of not, whether the anti choice brigade agree or not.

Yes but she should not be allowed to kill it.

Or do you also support killing if the child is the wrong sex, handicapped, gay?

Originally Posted by Makedde

So if you were pregnant but your baby would die soon after birth, do you seriously mean to say that you would prefer not to know? You would be happy to be shocked and saddened by the death of your child, when you could have been given the chance to prepare for such heartache?

What difference would it make? Would my knowing it would die, save it or make it any less painful? Today we are blessed with ultrasounds and the capability to detect things…which is a good thing because many children can be helped while in the womb. Unlike you however I would be saddened to know its death no matter when I found out…a life is a life and a child is a child while in the womb or out. No one prepares you for a childs death….nothing makes it easier.

Cady said,

"The unborn are not "amongst us," and criminalizing abortion doesn't protect the unborn; it only punishes women."

They are amongst us or abortionists would have no jobs to do. They are hired to kill life….human life. What do you not get about this? If left alone the child in the womb would get bigger…bigger….until it decides to be born. Is this punishing women who took the risk by having sex and becoming pregnant? Is it punishing the life in the womb? Who is really punished in this scenario?

Does making a woman carry a baby throughout the entire pregnancy….wrong? So is late term abortion wrong? You said you were against late term abortion. BAsed on your statement here….

Cady said…."criminalizing abortion doesn't protect the unborn; it only punishes women"……..you are anti-women…you want to deny abortion to a segment of the pregnant population that wants a late term abortion.

LOL

Hypocritical position.

Cady said,

"What IS the purpose of a law that does more harm than good? Until conservatives will agree to policies that actually reduce the abortion rate, rather than punish women, they are part of the problem, not the solution."

Because people are going to do drugs…should we make all drugs legal? Should we provide safe houses where they can go and get clean needles and what they need to do it safe?
Because people will drive drunk…should we make driving drunk illegal?
Because people deserve the rights to their own bodies..in this case women…should we allow all abortions? Would that please pro-aborts?

The policies you radicals want to put into place still kill unborn babies. I work not only at Right to Life of my state but also a Crisis Pregnancy Center…have for over ten years. I know the people I work with…and while I do work with people who are not religious and do it because even they know right from wrong but because they know what science says about this. They know what being responsible means…and killing is not the responsible thing to do. The people doing the majority of the work however are people who do believe in God…who are on the RIGHT and who are Conservative. This is about world views…and if someone says to me that they are pro-choice…I know most the time their views on many more issues. Democratic platform is pro-choice. Republican platform is anti abortion, pro-life. Get it?

"The unborn will be "amongst us" when they come into the world at birth."

One of the most ridiculous statements I have ever read. LMAO

Why are you against late term abortion CAdy? If nothing is among us while they are in the womb….then why not kill them until they are born?

"A woman should be master of her own fate and her own body. A woman was once considered her husband's property. Now you argue that her body belongs to a fetus?"

ARE YOU FOR LATE TERM ABORTION? YES OR NO PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY YOU WOULD DENY A WOMAN THE RIGHT TO HER BODY IN LATER TERMS?

"How many American men and women must die needlessly before we risk "encouraging enemy morale"?"

They are the people who signed up for the job? They are the ones protection you so that you can sit her day after day on your computer voicing your opinions on issues. Our military does nothing without orders. And the orders come from the TOP. Today that means it comes from Obama and his commie crew. Obama said he would immediately end the war….but lied…so the last four years of bloodshed came from him…he is responsible.

"But it was your point--you brought it up. The dishonest tactics used by Lila Rose and James O'Keefe destroy the credibility of the entire pro-life community."

They have done it and they are doing it successfully. They have PP clinics very aware of what is going on. I have met Lila and she is awesome. Great work exposing the BIGGEST, THE LARGEST ABORTION MILL IN THE COUNTRY.

She is not the only one going undercover believe me…I know.

Originally Posted by Cady

Uphold your own morality. No one is forcing you to have an abortion. The majority of Americans believe abortion should be legal.

Could you provide a statistic for you statement. Because I don't think that the American public has been asked…by way of voting.

You are making a statement you can't make….unless you provide proof that everyone was asked. I was not asked.

AGain the lies and deception from the RADICAL LEFT….pro-abort community.

Originally Posted by alexa

What do you do with those you consider Pagans Churchmouse?

The definition speaks for itself.

Originally Posted by churchmouse

They are the people who signed up for the job? They are the ones protection you so that you can sit her day after day on your computer voicing your opinions on issues. Our military does nothing without orders. And the orders come from the TOP. Today that means it comes from Obama and his commie crew. Obama said he would immediately end the war….but lied…so the last four years of bloodshed came from him…he is responsible.

This is a load of crap.

He never said he would immediately end the war. He said he would immediately start removing troops in a drawdown of American forces. It would be impossible to immediately end the war, and even if he could, is that what you want? You're so pro-life and all, immediately picking up and leaving would have cost the lives of quite a few Iraqis. Staying still meant lives were lost, but not nearly as much as if we just left one day, not to mention the logistics of "ending the war immediately" would be next to impossible to safely achieve without America being a complete and total (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)bag. We started the war, we did, Bush did, our Congress did, and we the people kept voting those same fools back into office, so we helped start it and propagate it too. Where's all the responsibility talk about this, hmm? Or does responsibility only count when you're demonizing women who have abortions?