Womens Rights - The reason I'm pro choice. - Page 11

Koga · #**101** (**permalink**) 05-01-2008, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Makedde

Roe v Wade will never be overturned.

You keep telling yourself that Adolf.

Makedde · #**102** (**permalink**) 05-01-2008, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Koga

You keep telling yourself that Adolf.

It won't be. At least not in my lifetime.

Koga · #**103** (**permalink**) 05-01-2008, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Makedde

It won't be. At least not in my lifetime.

Then you should go see a doctor.

Makedde · #**104** (**permalink**) 05-01-2008, 09:53 PM

What makes you think it will be overturned? Considering the majority are pro choice, do you think it's even a possibility that Roe v Wade will be overturned?

Koga · #**105** (**permalink**) 05-01-2008, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Makedde

What makes you think it will be overturned? Considering the majority are pro choice, do you think it's even a possibility that Roe v Wade will be overturned?

The majority isn't prochoice.

Those in power are just prochoice. But governments change.

Besides, it wouldn't matter whether or not the majority was or wasn't prochoice.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomas Jefferson

One man, with courage, is the majority

B L Zeebub · #**106** (**permalink**) 05-01-2008, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Koga

The majority isn't prochoice.

Those in power are just prochoice. But governments change.

Besides, it wouldn't matter whether or not the majority was or wasn't prochoice.

Dream on

and to help you sleep a good book written by the fine UK author, who is now living in the US, Chris Hitchens the book is called "God is not Great" I believe its was a "best seller" in the US

Makedde · #**107** (**permalink**) 05-01-2008, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Koga

The majority isn't prochoice.

Those in power are just prochoice. But governments change.

Besides, it wouldn't matter whether or not the majority was or wasn't prochoice.

Laws have changed because the public was unhappy with a decision.

Kufnaka · #**108** (**permalink**) 05-07-2008, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by exponent

Too many of you forget who has to carry the child.

And you forget who has to pay for child support, work through the pregnancy in order to support 3 people one 1's budget, and you consented to carry it in the first place. The sole concept of child support implies that the man has responsibility and consent in childrearing, so in order to say that only women should decide whether a child is born you would have to first say that child support is unjustified because the man has no say in whether the child is born.

Each of the bullet points you mentioned was, at the end of the day, a scenario in which the woman did not fully consent to having sex. Coerced incest, drunken parties, etc. all come down to the legal definition of rape. Therefore, why are you equating that single case with giving women the full right to an abortion in any case?

Makedde · #**109** (**permalink**) 05-07-2008, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Kufnaka

And you forget who has to pay for child support, work through the pregnancy in order to support 3 people one 1's budget, and you consented to carry it in the first place. The sole concept of child support implies that the man has responsibility and consent in childrearing, so in order to say that only women should decide whether a child is born you would have to first say that child support is unjustified because the man has no say in whether the child is born.

Each of the bullet points you mentioned was, at the end of the day, a scenario in which the woman did not fully consent to having sex. Coerced incest, drunken parties, etc. all come down to the legal definition of rape. Therefore, why are you equating that single case with giving women the full right to an abortion in any case?

Firstly, a woman has the right to an abortion no matter if she got drunk, failed to use contraception, or had sex with ten different guys in one night. Abortion is her right. It is not a right of the father because his body is not involved in the actual pregnancy. A man is simply a sperm donor until the child is born.

I don't necessarily agree with the laws on child support - I believe the man does get a raw deal here, but that's just the way it is. Hopefully the law will change to allow men to opt out of fatherhood in the same way women can opt out of motherhood.

Chesby05 · #**110** (**permalink**) 05-08-2008, 06:13 AM

And not all men are primary providers. While I am on maternity leave we will be living on my partner's income plus a LOT of money that we've saved, I'll still be working 12 hours a week and going back to work full time after six months to support my child as well. That's a blanket assertion which is not strictly accurate.

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