[quote=B L Zeebub;449550]I do not recognise God, but I recognise choice right or wrong, that is why in a Democratic Soc you have laws created by the people, for the people.

Where do you think your laws originated from, religion is where. Religion was the basis for our morals and sense of decency.

That is why I find adherence to religious laws like "Sharia" an insult to my intelligence.

Most laws you obey now came from our religious beliefs so do you also find them an insult to your intelligence.

Was it not the descision of your founding Fathers to separate church from State.

I do not live in America but tell me if that is the case why on your dollar bill have you got in 'God we trust'.

I do not regard the termination of a foetus within the laws of your country or mine as murder, nor does the legal system in your country or mine.

Abortion is illegal in my country I'm irish. Also all I can say to you is liberalism is already getting to much a say round the world. Homosexuality is accepted so is prostitution, drugs. All these things and more people think should be legal, and all that does is help destroy our society.

So until that is altered, your rather infantile analogy with ref to "murder" is banal.

I am not arguing with you about abortion wether it is legal or not, I know it is not legal in the US. I am debating that it should not be legal as I believe it to be killing life inside the womb.

Would you like to discuss the laws governing infanticide in the UK US or the world, and how in certain races at times of famine when prayer for food did not work (has it ever) the religious leaders ordered the slaughter of children.

No I would like to talk about if abortion should be legal or not, after all that is what this topic is about, thank you very much.

Billy bob your question to MS Sharon Tate about why she hates men, may I answer this as a MAN, "go ask your Wife" and have some "Buds" and a big bowl of Popcorn to hand it may take a while.

What exactly is it about my response that you find 'banal'?


Why are you crying?


No, they don't.



I live in a Representative Republic.


No thanks, not interested. But there are plenty of people in the US who are actively trying to get the laws changed.


Don't know what that means.



'Self aggrandizing'?


Now you're just being stupid.

My wife doesn't hate men.

Sorry your wife does. Or maybe she just hates you......

[quote=shadowman;449569]You are Irish I apologise for my mis-conception.

Are you saying that as an athiest I am devoid of a moral compass?

Are you saying that without religeon we would not have laws?

Religion is about control with the end game being if you are good you go to heaven if you are bad you go to hell, so why do you need man made penalties, because the concept is becoming weaker and weaker

When I was a young man 40 yrs ago I worked on the Kelly Boats taking coal from Liverpool to Dublin I made lots of money smuggling "Condoms" and "Tit Mags" into your country for some very Holly people.

Rel/Hypocracy was alive and well then, and with the budjet airlines abortion flights out of your country it seems to be alive and kicking now

Oh dear I am sorry I am sure your wife does not hate Men the question is maybe she hates.....

I thought of a btter reposte.

I only have your word on that, have you any testimonials?

Barely.


Yes, but I do not allow my wife to post on the internet.


As fun as this is, let's not derail this thread too far.....

Okay, I am Sir at your service

Nonsense - all the abortion hangs on one of the worst decision in USSC history (right up there with Dred Scott and Plessey v. Ferguson) Roe. v. Wade. Not only didn't democracy have anything to do with it, reasonable jurisprudence had nothing to do with it.

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