My argument against pro lifers

**MegadethFan** · Jun 08 2012, 06:19 AM

Originally Posted by Til the Last Drop

Really? I'm on the fence as I see both sides. But, really? Is this what the pro-choice crowd is reduced to? I'll start calling pro-lifers Charlie Sheeners. WINNING. LOL

LOL I agree. I'm pro-choice but that argument made was a silly.

**Christopher** · Jun 08 2012, 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by MegadethFan

So? The value is changed to consciousness and self-awareness, ie the ability to have an interest. What is wrong with that?

Are you saying that you are OK with devaluing human life? Please explain, perhaps I'm misunderstanding you.

**SpaceCricket79** · Jun 08 2012, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by MegadethFan

... and why shouldn't I? haha, jokes aside though, I'm quite sick of so many lifers throwing words like murderer, innocent and even holocaust around to describe abortion, alongside a continuous and sustained labeling of all opponents as "liberal, lazy, irresponsible". The most annoying thing is that these words are never accompanied by any tenable position or serious arguments, just the same old lines - "oh but its a human", "oh but its alive", "oh you're killing it" - way to state the fricking obvious! SO WHAT? What's bad about killing an innocent member of the species of homosapien that is alive when it has no interest in being alive - when it doesn't even comprehend its own existence?

But dont get me wrong, there are other lifers here who avoid such argumentation, although I have yet to meet one that will actually make a logical argument they can defend outside of intuitive emotionalism and rhetorical nonsense.

The inflammatory and provocative style of the common lifer argumentation is not something advocates of choice should be confronted by, however - and no way in hell should they respond accordingly. There are many pro-choice people who reply with as many labels and ineffective language. Instead we should respond with an embrace of such claims where they are truthful so that we devalue and destroy intuitive misconceptions and false attitudes which stifle debate and avoid actual argumentation. The non sequiturs of the "murderer" labels should be confronted with comic embrace and unfazed apathy. "Yes, I eat babies for breakfast" - "yes I am the happy supporter of mass fetal genocide" - "of course I happily endorse the massacring of fetuses." You can throw anything these lifers spew out right back!

The only reason lifer rhetoric of the nature described above actually works is because advocates of choice embrace them and indulge in attempting to refute these false labels as well as using them themselves. Since lifers already know they are false and since they do nothing but stifle argumentation I propose we apathetically ignore these linguistic tactics and only utilize them so as to force lifers to utilize actual argumentation.

If false labels do not illicit a knee jerk reaction, lifers will have no where to hide in the abortion debate - they will be forced to show why they are right and defend it with sustained reasoning; an occurrence that is far too rare these days.

I think that those who have no interest in being alive deserve more rights than the rest of us because they are more selfless.

**SpaceCricket79** · Jun 08 2012, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by Christopher

Are you saying that you are OK with devaluing human life? Please explain, perhaps I'm misunderstanding you.

Basically he believes that killing is fine as long as the victim isn't a terrorist, a convicted killer on death row, or an animal.

Though if the unborn babies are brown then he may be more against it since it might be perceived as "racist".

**churchmouse** · Jun 08 2012, 07:16 PM

MegadethFan said, ...

"and why shouldn't I? haha, jokes aside though,"

The name you gave this thread is sick…..and this subject is not a a joke…it might be to people who think killing babies is ok…but for those who value life it is not.

"I'm quite sick of so many lifers throwing words like murderer, innocent and even holocaust around to describe abortion, alongside a continuous and sustained labeling of all opponents as "liberal, lazy, irresponsible"."

So let me get this…..YOUR sick of pro-lifers comments towards you….but YOU can make a sick thread entitled I Eat BAbies For Breakfast?

"The most annoying thing is that these words are never accompanied by any tenable position or serious arguments, just the same old lines - "oh but its a human", "oh but its alive", "oh you're killing it" - way to state the fricking obvious! SO WHAT? What's bad about killing an innocent member of the species of homosapien that is alive when it has no interest in being alive - when it doesn't even comprehend its own existence?"

The evidence is there….the thing is someone who is compassionate and loving…would pick that up and see the inhumanity of the whole thing. No wonder you don't get it.

"But dont get me wrong, there are other lifers here who avoid such argumentation, although I have yet to meet one that will actually make a logical argument they can defend outside of intuitive emotionalism and rhetorical nonsense."

Your position lacks compassion, empathy, love, and emotion. That says it all.

"The inflammatory and provocative style of the common lifer argumentation is not something advocates of choice should be confronted by, however - and no way in hell should they respond accordingly. There are many pro-choice people who reply with as many labels and ineffective language. Instead we should respond with an embrace of such claims where they are truthful so that we devalue and destroy intuitive misconceptions and false attitudes which stifle debate and avoid actual argumentation. The non sequiturs of the "murderer" labels should be confronted with comic embrace and unfazed apathy. "Yes, I eat babies for breakfast" - "yes I am the happy supporter of mass fetal genocide" - "of course I happily endorse the massacring of fetuses." You can throw anything these lifers spew out right back!"

Gosh your so so….I mean I can't say it here…I CERTAINLY WOULD BE BANNED. You can take your cold, callous…remarks and file them where the sun don't shine….of course in a file cabinet.

"If false labels do not illicit a knee jerk reaction, lifers will have no where to hide in the abortion debate - they will be forced to show why they are right and defend it with sustained reasoning; an occurrence that is far too rare these days."

We do not have to hide. We stick around to rub what your all about in your faces and you whine and cry and kick your feet…and your all about eating babies…killing them, slaughtering them dead. Yes the shoe fits you well.

**MisLed** · Jun 08 2012, 07:21 PM

a society is judged by how it treats its young/unborn and its elderly.

It is supremely cruel to say that is is misplaced compassion to care for the unborn who face death from abortion.

**MegadethFan** · Jun 08 2012, 07:37 PM

Originally Posted by Christopher

Are you saying that you are OK with devaluing human life?

Yes, certainly. Why should human life be considered special? I am saying that the "value" should be placed not on being human, but on holding an interest. You dont agree with this?

Originally Posted by Christopher

Please explain, perhaps I'm misunderstanding you.

See above.

**MegadethFan** · Jun 08 2012, 07:38 PM

Originally Posted by SpaceCricket79

I think that those who have no interest in being alive deserve more rights than the rest of us because they are more selfless.

LOL Could you explain that. Are you saiyng dead people are "selfless"?

**MegadethFan** · Jun 08 2012, 07:39 PM

Originally Posted by SpaceCricket79

Basically he believes that killing is fine as long as the victim isn't a terrorist, a convicted killer on death row, or an animal.

Though if the unborn babies are brown then he may be more against it since it might be perceived as "racist".

...?... When did I say that? LOL Nice to see you are so weak at debating you need to invent stuff about my argument rather than actually address it. Quite pathetic, but funny.