Thread: My argument against pro lifers

Originally Posted by churchmouse

MegadethFan said, ...
The name you gave this thread is sick…..and this subject is not a a joke…it might be to people who think killing babies is ok…but for those who value life it is not.

Perhaps you should read me OP. I agree its not a joke - common lifer argumentation is however. Furthermore if you feel sick by the title I can only laugh and say, why should I feel anything like that?

Originally Posted by churchmouse

So let me get this…..YOUR sick of pro-lifers comments towards you….but YOU can make a sick thread entitled I Eat BAbies For Breakfast?

Read the OP. Also, the headline might be sickening to some but that is not the same as insulting others or mislabeling them. If you cannot see the distinction, I wont bother explaining it.

Originally Posted by churchmouse

The evidence is there….

What evidence? Provide some please.

Originally Posted by churchmouse

the thing is someone who is compassionate and loving...would pick that up and see the inhumanity of the whole thing.

Nonsense.

Originally Posted by churchmouse

No wonder you don't get it.

Dont get what? I understand their argument - more so than they do, since they cant see how ignorant it is.

Originally Posted by churchmouse

Your position lacks compassion, empathy, love, and emotion.

How's that?

Originally Posted by churchmouse

That says it all.

Not really, it just says all you have is emotional rhetoric, like I outline in the OP. You clearly have no argument to make, which is really funny. So yeah to you I might as well just say I'm evil, I lack empathy, the ability to love others and emotion, so basically I'm a sociopath. ROFLMAO

Originally Posted by churchmouse

Gosh your so so….I mean I can't say it here…I CERTAINLY WOULD BE BANNED.

HAHA Going to cry eh? Its funny because I've always found the best way to show the 'evil" in someone is with reason whereas people like you, no offense intended, seem devoted to entirely emotional outbursts which do nothing but make that person look lacking in self control. Come on, you must have same rational basis to be so disgusted. Voice it.

Originally Posted by churchmouse

You can take your cold, callous…remarks and file them where the sun don't shine….of course in a file cabinet.

LOL No I'd rather tell people that "Yes, I eat babies for breakfast" - "yes I am the happy supporter of mass fetal genocide" - "of course I happily endorse the massacring of fetuses", and you know, all the other nonsense.

Originally Posted by churchmouse

We do not have to hide. We stick around to rub what your all about in your faces and you whine and cry and kick your feet…and your all about eating babies…killing them, slaughtering them dead. Yes the shoe fits you well.

LOL Again its pointless to go on about your emotional dispotion since it in no way shows I am wrong - just how you feel.

As I said, when you are ready to make an argument, I'll happily respond in kind.

MegadethFan said,

"Perhaps you should read me OP. I agree its not a joke - common lifer argumentation is however. Furthermore if you feel sick by the title I can only laugh and say, why should I feel anything like that?"

WEll you can its not a joke all you wish…but I don't believe you…not by the words you post here.

"Read the OP. Also, the headline might be sickening to some but that is not the same as insulting others or mislabeling them. If you cannot see the distinction, I wont bother explaining it."

Sickening to those who have compassion who value life. Those are the people you so lovingly target.

"It just says all you have is emotional rhetoric, like I outline in the OP. You clearly have no argument to make, which is really funny. So yeah to you I might as well just say I'm evil, I lack empathy, the ability to love others and emotion, so basically I'm a sociopath. ROFLMAO"

Well it is emotional…because if you love children, then you would see this as barbaric. And you don't see it that way. That which is in the womb is nothing to you….nothing. And you not only are for abortion…you love to mock those who do value life….especially if they are Christians. You hate Christianity and believers…that much is obvious. ARe you evil….certainly your position is. Are you empathetic? Only to those you don't hate I would imagine. Do you lack emotion….? Well certainly your hatred shows through….I see no love however. I see that you do not consider the life in the womb….you make a thread with a name like this…for craps and giggles. What kind of a person are you really?

"HAHA Going to cry eh? Its funny because I've always found the best way to show the 'evil" in someone is with reason whereas people like you, no offense intended, seem devoted to entirely emotional outbursts which do nothing but make that person look lacking in self control. Come on, you must have same rational basis to be so disgusted. Voice it."

You don't hide evil thoughts…you are very good at personally expressing them…and do quite well on this forum…especially in our personal discussions….where you are very quick to give ultimatums. I would guess that even Hitler did not sit back and cry over those whom he targeted and killed. And while you don't personally kill people you target verbally to do the same thing…different results. I would imagine the people Hitler hurt did cry because they could see the evil in the target. My heart cries for people like you who hold positions like you do… your positions are immoral and IMO….tragic not only for the unborn but for people who actually love the thought of things like this, abortion.

"LOL No I'd rather tell people that "Yes, I eat babies for breakfast" - "yes I am the happy supporter of mass fetal genocide" - "of course I happily endorse the massacring of fetuses", and you know, all the other nonsense."

Your (*)(*)(*)(*) straight this is an emotional issue. You don't get it and you never will. That statement on the bottom of your posts…the one about your willing to change your position any time. Now thats something I can laugh at. LOL

"LOL Again its pointless to go on about your emotional dispotion since it in no way shows I am wrong - just how you feel."

That is the most important thing for people who hold opinions on abortion like you….to be right. Bulldoze over anyone who gets in your way…and what happens is collateral damage….not your concern. Pride is ugly sometimes and so is narcissism it is destructive especially to the person.

"As I said, when you are ready to make an argument, I'll happily respond in kind."

LMAO That skippy is beyond even your pay grade….kindness? LMAO Just remembering the comments you slung at me in our private conversation. LMAO

You might fool the people here…..NOT ME.

Originally Posted by churchmouse

MegadethFan said,
WEll you can its not a joke all you wish…but I don't believe you…not by the words you post here.

I cant help you if you are distrustful. If you had read the OP you would understand the point I am making.

Originally Posted by churchmouse

Sickening to those who have compassion who value life. Those are the people you so lovingly target.

Again, not the same as insulting them. If they have a problem with what I say - its their problem. My target audience in the OP was actually other smart, caring and thoughtful pro-choice folk.

Originally Posted by churchmouse

Well it is emotional…because if you love children, then you would see this as barbaric.

Why would I see it as barbaric? To be fair, I dont much like children between 6 and 12. They're usually pretty annoying. LOL

Originally Posted by churchmouse

And you don't see it that way. That which is in the womb is nothing to you….nothing.

Oh no its something. I have stipulated there are conditions to abortion - namely that we try and minimize the pain involved.

Originally Posted by churchmouse

And you not only are for abortion…you love to mock those who do value life….especially if they are Christians.

Well no, I mock those who use rhetoric and nonsense in place of an argument. You can see here I'm having a perfectly normal discussion with a lifer here because he is actually using arguments and not mindless rhetoric and emotionalism.
That abortion is morally acceptable.

Originally Posted by churchmouse

You hate Christianity and believers…that much is obvious.

Not at all. My family is of Christians and believers, as are 90% of my friends. You're just upset.

Originally Posted by churchmouse

ARe you evil….certainly your position is.

How so?

Originally Posted by churchmouse

Are you empathetic? Only to those you don't hate I would imagine. Do you lack emotion….? Well certainly your hatred shows through….I see no love however. I see that you do not consider the life in the womb….you make a thread with a name like this…for craps and giggles. What kind of a person are you really?

Here we go again. Do you have an argument or not? If you dont, I frankly dont care for your little diatribe of teary eyed ad hominem. Pathetic.

Originally Posted by churchmouse

You don't hide evil thoughts…you are very good at personally expressing them…and do quite well on this forum…especially in our personal discussions….where you are very quick to give ultimatums. I would guess that even Hitler did not sit back and cry over those whom he targeted and killed.

LOL Yeah because I'm Hitler. haha I do have a pretty funny impersonation of him, that I must confess is true.

Originally Posted by churchmouse

And while you don't personally kill people you target verbally to do the same thing…different results. I would imagine the people Hitler hurt did cry because they could see the evil in the target. My heart cries for people like you who hold positions like you do… your positions are immoral and IMO….tragic not only for the unborn but for people who actually love the thought of things like this, abortion.

Again, do you have an argument or are you that deprived of reason you are just going to continue with this nazi nonsense?

Originally Posted by churchmouse

Your (*)(*)(*)(*) straight this is an emotional issue. You don't get it and you never will. That statement on the bottom of your posts…the one about your willing to change your position any time. Now that's something I can laugh at. LOL

Why laugh at it? You've given me no reason to even consider changing my mind let alone doing so. You haven't actually presented an argument as to why I'm wrong - just about how upset you are. Seriously - no one cares.

Originally Posted by churchmouse

That is the most important thing for people who hold opinions on abortion like you….to be right. Bulldoze over anyone who gets in your way…and what happens is collateral damage….not your concern. Pride is ugly sometimes and so is narcissism it is destructive especially to the person.

Originally Posted by churchmouse

LMAO That skippy is beyond even your pay grade….kindness? LMAO Just remembering the comments you slung at me in our private conversation. LMAO You might fool the people here…..NOT ME.

haha yeah you found me out for the nazi I really am

Come again, please its quite funny. Its like watching someone impale themself.

MegadethFan said,

"I cant help you if you are distrustful. If you had read the OP you would understand the point I am making."

You say the same thing over and over and over.

"Again, not the same as insulting them. If they have a problem with what I say - its their problem. My target audience in the OP was actually other smart, caring and thoughtful pro-choice folk."

There is no such thing as smart, caring and thoughtful pro-choice folk…not when they champion abortion.

"Why would I see it as barbaric? To be fair, I dont much like children between 6 and 12. They're usually pretty annoying. LOL"

By your choice of name…I can see that all your views reflect it.

Oh no its something. I have stipulated there are conditions to abortion - namely that we try and minimize the pain involved.

"Well no, I mock those who use rhetoric and nonsense in place of an argument. You can see here I'm having a perfectly normal discussion with a lifer here because he is actually using arguments and not mindless rhetoric and emotionalism."

You seem mock all Christians and God, it's like you get off on it. You can debate this issue with or without emotion. Emotion is not bad. You see you come to this forum thinking you know everything…and you don't. You don't know the first thing about abortion. You have never been pregnant and never had one. You are here simply to throw crap especially in the peoples face who do have emotion. It is obvious you have none.

"My family is of Christians and believers, as are 90% of my friends. You're just upset."

90%….and only you would count them to put it to a statistic. LOL

Upset are you kidding? I could care less about you personally. I feel sorry for your family and friends…MEGADEATH….if that doesn't color the vision. LOL

If I am upset about anything it's that people like you think you really know this issue and you don't. You come to throw mud…because you are devoid of the emotion and sense that would tell you ….its not nice. It is not about facts for you people, its a game. But you don't want to be nice…that much is obvious.

As for changing your mind….LMAO…..Not in your DNA.

" Seriously - no one cares."

Too funny. That is why you keep private messaging me over and over…eh? You present yourself as this nice logical person who really wants a debate….not what I saw in your private messages…not at all. You know how I passionately feel about the unborn…and that is fair game to you. Satan also came with the intentions of destroying and conquering.

You will never get me. I have something you don't have….and I think that just ticks you off because one thing is for sure….your a bitter bitter person.

Originally Posted by churchmouse

MegadethFan said,
You say the same thing over and over and over.

And I will continue to do so until you actually give an argument.

Originally Posted by churchmouse

There is no such thing as smart, caring and thoughtful pro-choice folk…not when they champion abortion.

Why not?

Originally Posted by churchmouse

By your choice of name…I can see that all your views reflect it.

Ok, so what?

Originally Posted by churchmouse

You seem mock all Christians and God, it's like you get off on it.

That's your perception, but not reality.

Originally Posted by churchmouse

You can debate this issue with or without emotion. Emotion is not bad. You see you come to this forum thinking you know everything…and you don't. You don't know the first thing about abortion. You have never been pregnant and never had one. You are here simply to throw crap especially in the peoples face who do have emotion. It is obvious you have none.

Your problem is emotion is ALL you have. Again, why is abortion wrong?

Originally Posted by churchmouse

90%….and only you would count them to put it to a statistic. LOL

...?... So you dont believe me, or what?

Originally Posted by churchmouse

Upset are you kidding? I could care less about you personally. I feel sorry for your family and friends…MEGADEATH….if that doesn't color the vision. LOL

No you are very upset, you keep telling us - "oh its so insulting" "oh its so insensitive" "oh its disrespectful". LOL That's ALL you say around here.

Originally Posted by churchmouse

If I am upset about anything it's that people like you think you really know this issue and you don't.

How's that? You keep saying that but you can NEVER actually address my argument. The proof is in the pudding - all you have is emotional rhetoric and mindless ignorance.

Originally Posted by churchmouse

You come to throw mud…because you are devoid of the emotion and sense that would tell you ….its not nice.

Here we go again. Look lady no one cares what you feel - only what truth you have to voice. Since you have none, why bother coming here?

Originally Posted by churchmouse

It is not about facts for you people, its a game. But you don't want to be nice…that much is obvious. As for changing your mind….LMAO…..Not in your DNA.

"Not in your DNA"? LOL That's close to being one of the most retarded statement's I've heard all week.

Originally Posted by churchmouse

Too funny. That is why you keep private messaging me over and over…eh?

No, the reason I pm'd you was originally to let you know I had created a thread for you to prove your cas,e which you didnt and as is quite clear now, cannot do.

Originally Posted by churchmouse

You present yourself as this nice logical person who really wants a debate….not what I saw in your private messages…not at all.

Put them on a thread and let other decide.

Originally Posted by churchmouse

You know how I passionately feel about the unborn…and that is fair game to you.

Indeed it is. If you put your feelings out as an argument, I can trash them as much as I (*)(*)(*)(*) well please. What you told me in the PMs I have not once used against you - only what you have written here. For someone who makes reference to stupid words like murder and nazis, you shoudl have the guts to have a dose of your own poison. Again your problem, caused by your own ignorance, not mine.

Originally Posted by churchmouse

Satan also came with the intentions of destroying and conquering.

So what? You think abortion is the work of Satan? Oh well gosh darn "Hail Satan"!

Originally Posted by churchmouse

You will never get me. I have something you don't have….and I think that just ticks you off because one thing is for sure….your a bitter bitter person.

ROFL Yes I dont have what you have - a totally ignorant view point and an overly emotive disposition. There is something I have which you dont have, which is far more important - AN ACTUAL ARGUMENT.

MegadethFan said,

"And I will continue to do so until you actually give an argument."

You don't want arguments or proof not really. You want lines…..lines to tear apart…so you can name call again. ITs your style.

"Why not?"

I do not think your a caring and compassionate person…not at all.

"That's your perception, but not reality."

You call Christians names…you call God names…..and you love it.

"Your problem is emotion is ALL you have. Again, why is abortion wrong?"

Science says life starts at conception…it is a separate human being. I value life…and today with all the information we have there is no excuse to not know about fetal development. Most pro-aborts I know say….Abortion is a tough decision. Well if the unborn is nothing….and its moral then what is so tough about it? Of course you are for even late term abortion…so in your book of tricks….killing is moral on every level.

I am not going to go into fetal development…would not matter to you. Not going to go into that…would not matter.

"No you are very upset, you keep telling us - "oh its so insulting" "oh its so insensitive" "oh its disrespectful". LOL That's ALL you say around here."

No not everyone…is like you…just a few. And you are disrespectful…and insensitive. You love to insult.

"How's that? You keep saying that but you can NEVER actually address my argument. The proof is in the pudding - all you have is emotional rhetoric and mindless ignorance."

I am sick of you calling names. Not once have I let loose and called you names. I don't need to. One would read all your posts…put two and two together…with your name…..and well…need I say more. You have the gall to tell me I am mindless because I love the life in the unborn and want to save it. Buddy….I can only imagine the life off the computer you lead.

"Here we go again. Look lady no one cares what you feel - only what truth you have to voice. Since you have none, why bother coming here?"

Yes you do. You bug me in private messaging….you say hurtful things about the life in the womb…you make references to even eating them. You are one sick……I won't even say it. If I didn't come here what would your enjoyment be in life? Hating…your favorite hobby.

"No, the reason I pm'd you was originally to let you know I had created a thread for you to prove your cas,e which you didnt and as is quite clear now, cannot do."

No you didn't…you still made pot shots called me names…your a liar.

"Put them on a thread and let other decide."

You gave me ultimatums. And there ya go…..your such a narcissist.

"If you put your feelings out as an argument, I can trash them as much as I (*)(*)(*)(*) well please. What you told me in the PMs I have not once used against you - only what you have written here. For someone who makes reference to stupid words like murder and nazis, you shoudl have the guts to have a dose of your own poison. Again your problem, caused by your own ignorance, not mine."

You are vile. You have a potty mouth, I find you disgusting.

"So what? You think abortion is the work of Satan? Oh well gosh darn "Hail Satan"!"

Coming from one who says he is an atheist and has the Holy Spirit.

" Yes I dont have what you have - a totally ignorant view point and an overly emotive disposition. There is something I have which you dont have, which is far more important - AN ACTUAL ARGUMENT."

An argument based on sickness and immorality.

Originally Posted by churchmouse

MegadethFan said,



You don't want arguments or proof not really.

Yes, really I do. You havent given ANY of either.

Originally Posted by churchmouse

You want lines…..lines to tear apart…so you can name call again. ITs your style.

No. If you give bs emotionalism I'll call it for what it is. If you give an actual argument I will respond with my own. Read through my posts and you'll see as much. Lifers that give arguments I respond to with my own. Lifers who give me mindless emotional rhetoric, will be pointed out for the clueless, groundless ignoramuses they are.

Originally Posted by churchmouse

I do not think your a caring and compassionate person…not at all.

Why not?

Originally Posted by churchmouse

You call Christians names…you call God names…..and you love it.

Which Christians? I dont really "love" calling God names, but I dont mind.

Originally Posted by churchmouse

Science says life starts at conception…it is a separate human being. I value life…and today with all the information we have there is no excuse to not know about fetal development. Most pro-aborts I know say….Abortion is a tough decision. Well if the unborn is nothing….and its moral then what is so tough about it? Of course you are for even late term abortion…so in your book of tricks….killing is moral on every level.

1. I agree life of a human starts at conception, but....
2. Why should human life be valued for simply being human?
3. I dont find anything tough about killing a fetus, the reasons to which I have already explained, but can repeat if you so desire.

Notice how there was no name calling? Anyway....

Originally Posted by churchmouse

No not everyone…is like you…just a few. And you are disrespectful…and insensitive. You love to insult.

I only insult (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)s. Act like a dickhead and I'll treat you like one - that's my philosophy. You are right about one thing, I am often insensitive - deal with it.

Originally Posted by churchmouse

I am sick of you calling names.

What names are they?

Originally Posted by churchmouse

Not once have I let loose and called you names. I don't need to.

No you just use mindless adjectives and misleading descriptions which I outline in the OP. In facts its almost like you copied them straight from it!

Originally Posted by churchmouse

One would read all your posts…put two and two together…with your name…..and well…need I say more. You have the gall to tell me I am mindless because I love the life in the unborn and want to save it.

Correct - the lifer position is mindless, especially since you give no argument to be a lifer just emotional bs.

Originally Posted by churchmouse

Buddy….I can only imagine the life off the computer you lead.

Ok.... so what?

Originally Posted by churchmouse

Yes you do. You bug me in private messaging….you say hurtful things about the life in the womb…you make references to even eating them. You are one sick……I won't even say it. If I didn't come here what would your enjoyment be in life? Hating…your favorite hobby.

hmmm, mus not have heard it the first time....

Originally Posted by churchmouse

No you didn't…you still made pot shots called me names…your a liar.

Where did I call you names?

Originally Posted by churchmouse

You gave me ultimatums. And there ya go…..your such a narcissist.

hahaha oh what's the matter, baby gonna cry? Please.

Originally Posted by churchmouse

You are vile. You have a potty mouth, I find you disgusting.

oooh I'm soooo scared. Funny how I'm just soooo wrong you can never, not once, prove it.

Originally Posted by churchmouse

Coming from one who says he is an atheist and has the Holy Spirit.

I never said I was an atheist. Quote me saying so. I'm apatheist, btw.

Originally Posted by churchmouse

An argument based on sickness and immorality.

How so? Actually its quite healthy and moral. What's more its provable - something your position isnt.

Originally Posted by MegadethFan

Yes, really I do. You havent given ANY of either.


No. If you give bs emotionalism I'll call it for what it is. If you give an actual argument I will respond with my own. Read through my posts and you'll see as much. Lifers that give arguments I respond to with my own. Lifers who give me mindless emotional rhetoric, will be pointed out for the clueless, groundless ignoramuses they are.


Why not?


Which Christians? I dont really "love" calling God names, but I dont mind.


1. I agree life of a human starts at conception, but....
2. Why should human life be valued for simply being human?
3. I dont find anything tough about killing a fetus, the reasons to which I have already explained, but can repeat if you so desire.

Notice how there was no name calling? Anyway....


I only insult (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)s. Act like a dickhead and I'll treat you like one - that's my philosophy. You are right about one thing, I am often insensitive - deal with it.


What names are they?


No you just use mindless adjectives and misleading descriptions which I outline in the OP. In facts its almost like you copied them straight from it!


Correct - the lifer position is mindless, especially since you give no argument to be a lifer just emotional bs.


Ok.... so what?


hmmm, mus not have heard it the first time....



Where did I call you names?


hahaha oh what's the matter, baby gonna cry? Please.


oooh I'm soooo scared. Funny how I'm just soooo wrong you can never, not once, prove it.


I never said I was an atheist. Quote me saying so. I'm apatheist, btw.


How so? Actually its quite healthy and moral. What's more its provable - something your position isnt.

This appears with all your posts….gosh your dense.

I'm willing to change my position at any time on any issue. I have done so in the past. All you need is a logical, provable case, and I'm all in. The question is, have you got what it takes? Oh, and just so you're not confused, I'm an atheist libertarian.

Originally Posted by churchmouse

This appears with all your posts….gosh your dense.

I see you couldn't answer my simple question. I think its the only thing I really need say to you until you respond.

Why should human life be valued for simply being human?

Originally Posted by MegadethFan

Yes, certainly.

I doubt we will ever agree then on this issue. Why are you OK with devaluing your own life?

Originally Posted by MegadethFan

I am saying that the "value" should be placed not on being human, but on holding an interest. You dont agree with this?

No, I think there is much more to the inherent value of human life than just holding an interest. Potential provides inherent value regardless of whether or not a conscious interest has been developed.