Thread: Is this "clump of cells" deserving of life?

Originally Posted by Makedde

No woman has ever, or will ever, terminate one week before her baby is due.

But they have deposited them in trash cans after giving birth.

Originally Posted by Makedde

Once the foetus is born, it takes a breath, and has established itself independant from the mother, or host.

You describe the baby as if it were a parasite.

The foetus develops into a baby long before the birth.

Originally Posted by Makedde

Once the fetus is born, it takes a breath, and has established itself independant from the mother... The mother doesn't need to see the baby again, the baby can survive without her, and that is the point.

What if the baby could survive outside of the mother, but the mother just does not want to give birth to it? Why does the baby need to take an actual breath before it can establish its right to life? Shouldn't the fact that it has the ability to breathe outside the womb be enough?
What if the life of the baby can be sustained by medical technology outside the womb? Many 25 week old babies could survive if they were separated from the mother, yet they are still aborted.

Is it morally right to remove the life support from an elderly patient just because he could not survive without it? Do you see the silliness of your argument?

Originally Posted by politicalcenter

But they have deposited them in trash cans after giving birth.

Those were women in desperate situations who didn't have the option of abortion, or weren't aware of it.

Originally Posted by Anders Hoveland

You describe the baby as if it were a parasite.

The foetus develops into a baby long before the birth.

No, babyhood starts at birth.

What if the baby could survive outside of the mother, but the mother just does not want to give birth to it? Why does the baby need to take an actual breath before it can establish its right to life? Shouldn't the fact that it has the ability to breathe outside the womb be enough?
What if the life of the baby can be sustained by medical technology outside the womb? Many 25 week old babies could survive if they were separated from the mother, yet they are still aborted.

Is it morally right to remove the life support from an elderly patient just because he could not survive without it? Do you see the silliness of your argument?

Many? You need to provide links for that assertion. The very few 25 week fetuses that are aborted are from medically compromised pregnancies.

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Originally Posted by OKgrannie

Many? You need to provide links for that assertion. The very few 25 week fetuses that are aborted are from medically compromised pregnancies.

Nobody wants to ban abortions medically required when mothers life or health is threatened. So this is not the issue here. Stop hiding behind medical necessity.

Originally Posted by Anders Hoveland

These three babies were prematurely delivered at 22 weeks, 22 weeks, and 21 weeks, respectively. Are they really babies, or just lifeless clumps of flesh?


http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/...iny-baby_x.htm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...ing-weeks.html

They're aren't lifeless, but yes, there are clumps of flesh. All humans are clumps of flesh, amongst other things, like bones etc.

If your question is, are these specific clumps of flesh deserving of life, the answer is, whether they "deserve" it pr not is irrelevant - they are not entitled to a right to life until they have a capacity to have an interest in their existence.

I guess it depends on the $$$ to some... do we really want the government deciding for us?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,151448,00.html


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Originally Posted by Blasphemer

Nobody wants to ban abortions medically required when mothers life or health is threatened. So this is not the issue here. Stop hiding behind medical necessity.

oh yes they do, some want to even ban them in cases of where the potential mother has been raped, some even want to ban borth control



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Originally Posted by OKgrannie

No, babyhood starts at birth.

What is "babyhood"?

Originally Posted by OKgrannie

Many? You need to provide links for that assertion. The very few 25 week fetuses that are aborted are from medically compromised pregnancies.

All of them? You need to provide links for that assertion.