Thread: Thumbs up to infanticide.

I note with interest that not one "pro-choice" person has spoken out in this thread against Megadeth's position that infanticide is ok. Hmmm....

Originally Posted by Blackrook

I note with interest that not one "pro-choice" person has spoken out in this thread against Megadeth's position that infanticide is ok. Hmmm....

I know. I guess its only pro-life people against infanticide.

Originally Posted by Blackrook

I note with interest that not one "pro-choice" person has spoken out in this thread against Megadeth's position that infanticide is ok. Hmmm....

I note with interest that not one "pro-life" person has made an intelligent response to the OP. Why don't you lead the way?

Originally Posted by Cady

I note with interest that not one "pro-life" person has made an intelligent response to the OP. Why don't you lead the way?

Unbelievable. Can you make an intelligent response of why infanticide is a bad thing? Or is it ok in your mind. In that case---can you give us your opinion? Or are you a coward.

Originally Posted by CKW

Unbelievable. Can you make an intelligent response of why infanticide is a bad thing? Or is it ok in your mind. In that case---can you give us your opinion? Or are you a coward.

Have you made one? All I've seen is bashing.

Originally Posted by Cady

I note with interest that not one "pro-life" person has made an intelligent response to the OP. Why don't you lead the way?

That'd be like expecting someone to respond intelligently to a NAMBLA member making a pro-pedophilia statement.

I'd be a waste of intellect better served elsewhere.

Originally Posted by Cady

Have you made one? All I've seen is bashing.

His argument for is based solely on a "begging the question" fallacy, so there's nothing to refute. The burden is on him to prove his point which he fails to do.

But no intelligence is required to refute it.

I speak against it as a pro-choice. Self-awareness is not important for personhood, since when you are sleeping or unconscious you are still a person, even tough you are not self-aware. Presence of mind, even not self-aware mind, is enough for personhood. And the only time when we can conclusively rule out the presence of mind is before 20 weeks of fetal development.

Besides, all our self-awareness tests are very inadequate - they dont test self-awareness, but responses (as self-awareness is a qualia impossible to be directly tested). As you can be self-aware and not respond at the same time, its still possible that babies are self-aware from birth, and just dont/cannot respond. And when it comes to such important question as potentially killing a person, we should protect them just to be sure, when we dont know. Thus even when we agreed with the premise, it is still not enough to justify the morality of infanticide.

The most logical criterion of personhood is inverse of brain death - brain birth, or first appearance of brain waves in the cerebral cortex.

Abortion is never infanticide, so let's get that straight.

For the rest, personhood has nothing to do with self awareness or even brain activity, but with being born alive.

I'm pro choice and I support a woman's right to choose abortion at whatever stage of the pregnancy she has reached.

Originally Posted by SpaceCricket79

His argument for is based solely on a "begging the question" fallacy, so there's nothing to refute. The burden is on him to prove his point which he fails to do.

Your own argument that life begins at conception begs the question. Did you read Tooley's article? How did he fail to prove his point?

But no intelligence is required to refute it.

Why haven't you attempted to refute it, then?