Woman dies after declining cancer treatments to save the life of her unborn child

**The DARK LORD** · Jul 14 2012, 01:11 AM

Originally Posted by Cady

If a pregnant woman dies, the fetus dies too, unless it is viable and can be removed by medical personnel. .

As science continues to move forward, the age that the unborn can be saved is getting younger and younger, I have no doubt eventually we would be able to save it at any age,

but anyways, you admit that a fetus, unborn child, can be removed from the mother and continue to live. I wonder if that is true for any other body part.

U C, if you want to determine if two animals are of the same specie, it is not the type or number of similarities that matters, its the differences that are more important.
example,
two organisms live in salt water, both have smooth skin, both have fins, , this proves nothing regarding if they are the same species or not.
Differences| one has live birth, one doesnt,,,,,BINGO ! NOT THE SAME , a body part is not the same as an unborn baby growing inside the mommy.
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Originally Posted by Cady

Just further proof you don't have a clue about what you are talking about.

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**Sean Michael** · Jul 14 2012, 05:18 AM

Abortion is the murder of an innocent person. We cannot not just kill people just because of where they are geographically, or on their age. This is the height of nonesense, there is never any excuse to take the life of an innocent person. I have yet to hear a sane and acceptable argument in favour of abortion.

**OKgrannie** · Jul 14 2012, 05:52 AM

Originally Posted by Sean Michael

Abortion is the murder of an innocent person. We cannot not just kill people just because of where they are geographically, or on their age. This is the height of nonesense, there is never any excuse to take the life of an innocent person. I have yet to hear a sane and acceptable argument in favour of abortion.

That is because you're not listening. You are listening with your own defined meanings in mind. Such as "murder", "innocent person", "people" etc. Your meanings do not fit the commonly accepted definitions for most people, therefore interfering with communication.

**Sean Michael** · Jul 14 2012, 05:58 AM

Originally Posted by OKgrannie

That is because you're not listening. You are listening with your own defined meanings in mind. Such as "murder", "innocent person", "people" etc. Your meanings do not fit the commonly accepted definitions for most people, therefore interfering with communication.

Well tell me what is when you call it when you end the life of an innocent person?. I always thought that was murder.
Could you please give me the definition of 'murder'?.
Could you also give me the definition of 'innocent life'?.
You, want to interpret things to suit your own meanings, you are the one refusing to accept the reality of abortion. Which is the murder of an innocent human life.

**OKgrannie** · Jul 14 2012, 06:15 AM

Originally Posted by Sean Michael

Well tell me what is when you call it when you end the life of an innocent person?. I always thought that was murder.
Could you please give me the definition of 'murder'?.
Could you also give me the definition of 'innocent life'?.
You, want to interpret things to suit your own meanings, you are the one refusing to accept the reality of abortion. Which is the murder of an innocent human life.

Ending the life of an innocent person could be called several things depending upon circumstances. The point is when talking about abortion is that most do not consider a zef to be a person. "Innocent" in this scenario is meaningless since a zef is as innocent as a rock.

Murder is the ILLEGAL killing of a person: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/murder

: the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought

Read this for some thoughts on "innocence":
http://womenintheology.org/2011/01/2...-not-innocent/

**onalandline** · Jul 14 2012, 06:50 AM

Originally Posted by OKgrannie

That is because you're not listening. You are listening with your own defined meanings in mind. Such as "murder", "innocent person", "people" etc. Your meanings do not fit the commonly accepted definitions for most people, therefore interfering with communication.

Killing an unborn child = murder.
An unborn child = innocent person.
Unborn children = people.

I am against abortion except in cases of incest or rape.

**Bowerbird** · Jul 14 2012, 07:20 AM

Originally Posted by The DARK LORD

As science continues to move forward, the age that the unborn can be saved is getting younger and younger, I have no doubt eventually we would be able to save it at any age,

but anyways, you admit that a fetus, unborn child, can be removed from the mother and continue to live. I wonder if that is true for any other body part.

U C, if you want to determine if two animals are of the same specie, it is not the type or number of similarities that matters, its the differences that are more important.
example,
two organisms live in salt water, both have smooth skin, both have fins, , this proves nothing regarding if they are the same species or not.
Differences| one has live birth, one doesnt,,,,,BINGO ! NOT THE SAME , a body part is not the same as an unborn baby growing inside the mommy.
.

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WRONG!!

Despite medical advances there has been no real change to the age of viability for about 20 years or more

Reason? Lungs just do not work earlier

**OKgrannie** · Jul 14 2012, 09:49 AM

Originally Posted by onalandline

Killing an unborn child = murder.
An unborn child = innocent person.
Unborn children = people.

I am against abortion except in cases of incest or rape.

Only in your own mind. If this: "Killing an unborn child = murder. An unborn child = innocent person. Unborn children = people." is true, then life resulting from rape and incest would also be "innocent person", "people", and killing them would be "murder."

**Cady** · Jul 14 2012, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by onalandline

Killing an unborn child = murder.
An unborn child = innocent person.
Unborn children = people.

I am against abortion except in cases of incest or rape.

"Neither a sperm and egg separately, nor a fertilized egg, is more than a potential baby or a potential adult."--Carl Sagan
http://www.2think.org/sagan_abortion.shtml

"I know that you all think about it perpetually that you come from one single cell of a fertilized egg. I don’t want to get involved in religion but that is not a human being."--Lewis Wolpert, world renowned embryologist

**The DARK LORD** · Jul 14 2012, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by Bowerbird

WRONG!!

Despite medical advances there has been no real change to the age of viability for about 20 years or more

Reason? Lungs just do not work earlier

You are saying its impossible, thats ludicrous.
No change in 20 years, so big deal, 20 years is a drop of water in the pacific ocean. Just 100 years ago if you would have suggested we could put a man on the moon, or do a heart transplant, you would have been institutionalized.
It will happen, its only a matter of time. Our body is merely a machine, and that has been proven. Its just not nuts and bolts and metal and plastic, but its still a machine.