Thread: How pro-choice are we?

Originally Posted by Kranes56

Show me, where it fits the defention of genocide.

Without any women, how are the Chinese going to carry on as a race?

Originally Posted by Checkm8r

Eugenics are pretty much the only thing that will 'save' this country.

Sad, but true.

People who are too stupid to wear condoms should be sterilized.

Nah I think we should have mandated sterilisation with reversal only when you can prove that you would be an adequate parent

Originally Posted by Blackrook

Liberals can't defend what's going on in China, but they defend it anyway, which makes them look bad.

Who has been defending what's going on in China? State sanctioned forced abortions have been roundly condemned - it's probably the one thing on this thread everyone can agree on.

whores that abort their children also need to be fixed so they can NEVER reproduce.

Originally Posted by bclark

This doesn't sound very democratic. Only one person gets a say in somebody dying. Sounds a lot more like a dictatorship. Let me guess, you expect us serfs to pay for the Empress and her abortions too, and we get no say at all.

That's not another person. That's a fetus. It will become a person when it's born. Until that time, to put it bluntly, it is it's mother's property. That fetus's existence is inexplicably tied to it's mother, and other than the contribution by the father during intercourse, a burden born entirely by the mother. I've always felt that should give the mother the final say in what happens to her body.

I can totally understand someone's argument against the government paying for abortions. I think it should be treated, in regards to who pays anyway, just like any other medical procedure. Sometimes that means the government will cover it, sometimes it doesn't. I don't think that anyone should have to give birth because they were prevented from having an abortion due to lack of an ability to pay for it. On the other hand, I don't believe abortions are all that expensive, at least compared to the medical costs of giving birth.

So basically, it's not that I feel the government SHOULD pay for abortions, I just feel it's a rather dumb decision not to since the related costs of giving birth to an unwanted child that has a very good chance of ending up in a government funded system anyway are going to be much much higher. Costs wouldn't normally matter when it came to having a child, except this mother doesn't want to be giving birth in the first place, and is only doing so because she can't afford the alternative(and you can't refuse to treat a mother giving birth in the hospital as opposed to the ability to refuse an abortion due to lack of ability to pay).

Originally Posted by HonestJoe

Who has been defending what's going on in China? State sanctioned forced abortions have been roundly condemned - it's probably the one thing on this thread everyone can agree on.

Yep, this is pretty much it. I haven't seen any pro-choicers on these forums defending it Chinese policy. In fact, I've seen pro-choicers condemning it.

This is just more strawman crap from the lifers. Pro-choice means wanting the mother to have the ability to choose. I mean, come on people, it's in the friggin name! That's not what is happening in China.

Originally Posted by alexa

You clearly did not read what I provided. Abortion will happen whether it is legal or not. It always has happened and it always will happen. I have never had an abortion and personally do not think I could but I also have not been in the position where I felt I had to.

The facts are, the truth is, that criminalising abortion would not end abortion. Abortion did not start when abortion became legal. I knew 3 young women who had had one before it became legal. The whole point of legalising abortion is for medical safety as the link I gave said. That is what I said. It will always be there because for some women having a baby at a particular time is more than they can bare. Live with it. That is reality. Not everyone is perfect. Life is not perfect.

I find people's attitude to women that they would like them to endure death and life enduring and threatening illnesses because they cannot bare to carry a baby at a particular time, obscene.

of course I read what you posted. I understand your position of trying to justify a reprehensible action.

Originally Posted by HonestJoe

Who has been defending what's going on in China? State sanctioned forced abortions have been roundly condemned - it's probably the one thing on this thread everyone can agree on.

So in other words, we are going to do nothing. Everything we buy is manufactured in China, by slaves forced to live in these kind of conditions, so we all benefit from this. China finances the deficit we run, so even if we wanted to do something meaningful, we probably couldn't without collapsing our currency.

Originally Posted by bclark

China is currently having over 14 million abortions per year. Many are forced abortions, or based on the sex of the child.

Can you give evidence about how many are forced abortions?

Originally Posted by bclark

Compare this with only 6 million Jews total in the holocaust.

Why compare it with that?

Originally Posted by bclark

Close to 40% more boys than girls are being born in China with the world's largest population. So I pose the question, is this really what we want to encourage in our country?

You'd probably want to encourage free choice.

Originally Posted by bclark

Here it looks like a woman's right to choose is ironically turning into a holocaust of women.

Could you elaborate on that assertion?

Originally Posted by bclark

Without any women, how are the Chinese going to carry on as a race?

You can't show where it fits, because it doesn't. Am I right?