Guru
Everyone Calls it a Baby When She's Not Having an Abortion
Women say "I'm having a baby!"
People have "baby showers."
People say "Let me feel the baby" before patting the mother's tummy.
Only in the abortion context do people use the medical term "fetus."
That is to detach themselves emotionally from what they're doing: killing a baby.
It is a form of lying to use euphemisms to excuse murder.
It is cowardly to avoid the truth instead of facing it head on.
Just admit you're killing a baby and I might have more respect for you.
Last edited by Blackrook; Jul 14 2012 at 07:18 AM.
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Women say "I'm having a baby," meaning they will have a baby sometime within 9 months. "I'm having a baby in September," or "We're expecting a baby next month." When it is born it WILL be a baby.Originally Posted by Blackrook
For giving gifts for the baby when it arrives. A fetus has no use for receiving blankets.People have "baby showers."
A fetus doesn't grow in a woman's "tummy," so why didn't you use the accurate term, "uterus"?People say "Let me feel the baby" before patting the mother's tummy.
The term "baby" is used as a term of endearment. People even call their pets and full grown children their "babies." "Zygote," "embryo" and "fetus" refer to specific stages of development, and are appropriate terms anytime specific terms are needed for clarity. Here is the medical definition for "baby":Only in the abortion context do people use the medical term "fetus." That is to detach themselves emotionally from what they're doing: killing a baby.
baby
Vox populi A popular term for an infant, or the youngest person in a family, from birth to toddlerhood
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/baby
Accurate and specific terminology is not lying and abortion is not murder. It is lying to say this is a baby:It is a form of lying to use euphemisms to excuse murder.
Last edited by Cady; Jul 14 2012 at 08:14 AM.
"Why extremists always focus on women remains a mystery to me. But they all seem to. It doesn't matter what country they're in or what religion they claim. They all want to control women."--Hillary Clinton
My mom still calls my 16 year old brother her 'baby', does that mean he's a baby by your 'definition'?
Guru
This seems a new trend amongst PF lifers: manipulate language to suit your needs and agenda.
Fetus: human in the women. Baby: human that has been born but not yet an infant.
There's a difference lifers. Learn it and get over it.
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Irrelevant
At the core of this is the mistaken belief that women are so weak minded that they will have an abortion because they have not thought the procedure through and will happily kill anything to fit into a swimsuit.
There is also a refusal to acknowledge that the woman might WANT the child but find herself in such a situation where she has to make a very difficult decision. The point that women can decide the best course for them at the time is not a part of the pro-life platform.
Instead we have endless mischaracterisations painting the woman as "no better than she ought to be"
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Guru
This is very true, and the worst(and the most humorous) part about it is, it's usually done incorrectly. Generally, I would think if you were going to bring semantics into it, you'd want to make sure you're were going to come out on top of that debate.
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Guru
would that be
A: be responsible for having had her night of pleasure and taking care of that which she created
or
B: not want to be inconvenienced or accountable for her night of pleasure and killing the life
is that the tough decision of which you speak?
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Guru
why do you expect an honest answer from hypocrites who have their life and value it but want to kill babies? They love abortion and their life itself is thus a living hypocricy
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Guru
Abortion in the "right vs wrong" context can be argued forever. The inconsistency, legally speaking, isn't with terminology, it is the fact the law acknowledges a human's existence when a pregnant woman is murdered and the accused is charged with double murder. If the culprit murdered a human being still in the belly, then by the law's own admission abortion is legalized murder. Regardless of the benefits the option affords women on an individual basis, or society in general.
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Funny how when one talks of trade, national borders are imaginary. When one talks of immigration, national borders are imaginary. But when one talks of expansionism and imperialism, national borders become very real.
I am Nationalist Capitalist. Labor in control of the state, with the means of production in private hands.
Guru
and Driving under the influence was culturally accepted at one point. Did we need a law to tell us that it was wrong?
Why must you hide behind a law? Do you yourself not know right from wrong?
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