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No, killing a month old baby is a lot different to killing a fetus. A fetus is not a person under law, whereas a baby is. There is a difference here.
You are correct under your law and ours abortion is legal if done within the framework of the law, the "murder of a child" under a certain age, may be denied under our infantiside laws, I am very happy with both laws.
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You are correct under your law and ours abortion is legal if done within the framework of the law, the "murder of a child" under a certain age, may be denied under our infantiside laws, I am very happy with both laws.
Then no one can argue I am wrong in saying this when my laws reflect this. I am factually correct when I say something, because I know what the law here says.
Morally correct, you can argue about that, but factually correct? Laws are fact, that hasn't changed, the only difference is different laws for different countries.
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Laws are not fact. Laws are a set of rules that have been agreed upon and passed to help us live in a more or less ordered society.

If it was the law that the earth was flat, does that make it so? Would you believe it? Just because the law says so? Of course not. Laws are not fact.
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No, killing a month old baby is a lot different to killing a fetus. A fetus is not a person under law, whereas a baby is. There is a difference here.[/QUOTE
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That is why we are debating I do not agree with the law. I believe it is wrong to kill a child wether inside or outside the womb, I know very well what the law is.
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Then no one can argue I am wrong in saying this when my laws reflect this. I am factually correct when I say something, because I know what the law here says.
Morally correct, you can argue about that, but factually correct? Laws are fact, that hasn't changed, the only difference is different laws for different countries.
If different countries have different laws, then how can laws be facts. If a country's law contradicts another country's law then how can laws be facts. Facts can't contradict each other, otherwise it is not fact.
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If different countries have different laws, then how can laws be facts. If a country's law contradicts another country's law then how can laws be facts. Facts can't contradict each other, otherwise it is not fact.
If different countries have different religious facts. If a country,s religious facts contradict,s another countries religious facts, then how can religion be based on facts, religious facts cant contradict each other,otherwise religion. is not infact a fact, from a factual standpoint, in fac totum
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If different countries have different laws, then how can laws be facts. If a country's law contradicts another country's law then how can laws be facts. Facts can't contradict each other, otherwise it is not fact.
If abortion is legal in my country, is is FACT if I say 'abortion is legal' because in my country, it is. If abortion were illegal in your country, and you said 'abortion is illegal' you would also be factually correct. We would both be correct - and every country has different laws on everything, so all countries contradict each other.
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Nice backpedal. You stated that what the law claims is fact - not that the law exists at all. Of course laws existing is a fact. What they claim to be law about may not always be fact though. Again, that's why they change so much.
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If I say abortion was legal where I live, I'd be stating the truth, wouldn't I? The truth being a FACT.
What the law says is FACT. It is a FACT that the law here does not allow the death penalty, isn't it? So if I said that, I would be correct, because my statement would be true.
You don't seem to follow me, but then, pro lifers have trouble with that.
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Har har har. The law used to state that the world was flat. Was that a FACT???

Funny how you're running out of ways to handle the argument so now you're just resorting to ad hom (oh hang on - that's when you attack the person instead of their reasoning - very flawed argument technique but then you are just a baby so it's no surprise).

Pro-lifers are against any and all abortion. That is not my ideology on abortion. So **gasp** - you must be wrong again!!
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