Thread: Late term abortions are legal in the US.

Lots of pro choicers on these boards have argued that late term abortions are illegal in the USA except for the life of the mother instance. They're just in denial. It's a load of nonsense.

First of all, according to Fugazi, a fetus feels pain at 20-something weeks into the pregnancy. But some abortions are legal even past then.

Late term abortions should only be legal to save the mother's life. That's all.

And, even then, that's nothing more than just a loophole-a copout- a lame excuse. Late term abortions are not nessecary to save the mother's life.

Even many pro choice advocates have realized just how evil and barbaric the radical pro abortion fanatics are.

If anybody here doesn't care about fetal pain, then feel free to explain your opinion to me. I am willing to debate this issue with anybody over here.

Obama is pro late term abortion and pro partial birth abortion. That's a radical fanatical pro abortion person. That's different from pro choice. A fanatical pro abortion person.

The Amazing Sam's Ego said,

"Lots of pro choicers on these boards have argued that late term abortions are illegal in the USA except for the life of the mother instance. They're just in denial. It's a load of nonsense."

Many think late term abortions are ok...it's the woman's body her choice. And then the rest who are hypocrites...think that only women own the rights to their bodies until they decide when...then they lose the rights. Hypocritical position.

"First of all, according to Fugazi, a fetus feels pain at 20-something weeks into the pregnancy. But some abortions are legal even past then."

All of the pro-choice/aborts here believe that late term abortions just don't ever happen. They think this is a figment of the pro-lifers imagination. They don't believe the articles that show late term abortion clinics are closed....just did not happen. All doctors are above board and simply don't do late term abortions. They believe no one has ever regretted their abortion...and women don't have any problems over killing their unborn. They think abortion is all positive....there are no negatives.

THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT PAIN...THEY DON'T CARE.

"Even many pro choice advocates have realized just how evil and barbaric the radical pro abortion fanatics are."

Don't agree. No pro-abort here will call another pro-abort out if they disagree. Some believe that late term abortion is wrong...some think its ok. They don't discuss it...or call each other on it. They can't. 99% of them champion all abortion period.

"If anybody here doesn't care about fetal pain, then feel free to explain your opinion to me. I am willing to debate this issue with anybody over here."

You would be beating your head against a rock...to even try. They don't care....about any of it...certainly not the pain an unborn might feel. Simply above their pay grade.

"Obama is pro late term abortion and pro partial birth abortion. That's a radical fanatical pro abortion person. That's different from pro choice. A fanatical pro abortion person.

Obama is pro-infanticide....he is evil as is the pro-choice position.

Originally Posted by churchmouse

The Amazing Sam's Ego said,

"Lots of pro choicers on these boards have argued that late term abortions are illegal in the USA except for the life of the mother instance. They're just in denial. It's a load of nonsense."

Many think late term abortions are ok...it's the woman's body her choice. And then the rest who are hypocrites...think that only women own the rights to their bodies until they decide when...then they lose the rights. Hypocritical position.
All of the pro-choice/aborts here believe that late term abortions just don't ever happen. They think this is a figment of the pro-lifers imagination. They don't believe the articles that show late term abortion clinics are closed....just did not happen. All doctors are above board and simply don't do late term abortions. They believe no one has ever regretted their abortion...and women don't have any problems over killing their unborn. They think abortion is all positive....there are no negatives.

THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT PAIN...THEY DON'T CARE.



Don't agree. No pro-abort here will call another pro-abort out if they disagree. Some believe that late term abortion is wrong...some think its ok. They don't discuss it...or call each other on it. They can't. 99% of them champion all abortion period.




You would be beating your head against a rock...to even try. They don't care....about any of it...certainly not the pain an unborn might feel. Simply above their pay grade.




Obama is pro-infanticide....he is evil as is the pro-choice position.

"""All of the pro-choice/aborts here believe that late term abortions just don't ever happen."""""

Begin with an outright lie and nothing you post could ever be credible.



Unless of course you have proof that you can pull out of your ....?????



Show proof......


Waiting for the proof.........




you are = you're


your car, your house....you are (you're ) going to go to your house...





Now, back to where your proof is....??????


And while you wallow in your hate for Obama, remember, Michelle Obama didn't have an abortion......



"""Hypocritical position.""""

Originally Posted by The Amazing Sam's Ego

Lots of pro choicers on these boards have argued that late term abortions are illegal in the USA except for the life of the mother instance. They're just in denial. It's a load of nonsense.

not quite true, the mental state of the woman can also be given as a reason for a late term abortion, elective late term abortions are illegal.

First of all, according to Fugazi, a fetus feels pain at 20-something weeks into the pregnancy. But some abortions are legal even past then.

Its not according to me, that is the general consensus of the majority of the experts in the field, backed up by the research.

Late term abortions should only be legal to save the mother's life. That's all.

And this is what happens, mental health issues can cause a woman to commit suicide or infanticide you know.

And, even then, that's nothing more than just a loophole-a copout- a lame excuse. Late term abortions are not nessecary to save the mother's life.

Try telling that to a woman with complications that could kill her if she proceeded.

Even many pro choice advocates have realized just how evil and barbaric the radical pro abortion fanatics are.

As I have said there are always radicals at both extremes of any debate.

If anybody here doesn't care about fetal pain, then feel free to explain your opinion to me. I am willing to debate this issue with anybody over here.

I do, though there are some here who will insist I don't

Obama is pro late term abortion and pro partial birth abortion. That's a radical fanatical pro abortion person. That's different from pro choice. A fanatical pro abortion person.

I can't comment as I don't have all the facts on Obamas position.

One thing I would like to see is that any abortion that has to take place after the point of viability there should be every effort made to keep the fetus alive .. I would suspect (with no facts) that any woman who goes that far into the pregnancy will have wanted the fetus born .. though I also accept that there may be occasions where this is not possible.

Originally Posted by Fugazi

not quite true, the mental state of the woman can also be given as a reason for a late term abortion, elective late term abortions are illegal.



Its not according to me, that is the general consensus of the majority of the experts in the field, backed up by the research.



And this is what happens, mental health issues can cause a woman to commit suicide or infanticide you know.



Try telling that to a woman with complications that could kill her if she proceeded.



As I have said there are always radicals at both extremes of any debate.



I do, though there are some here who will insist I don't



I can't comment as I don't have all the facts on Obamas position.

One thing I would like to see is that any abortion that has to take place after the point of viability there should be every effort made to keep the fetus alive .. I would suspect (with no facts) that any woman who goes that far into the pregnancy will have wanted the fetus born .. though I also accept that there may be occasions where this is not possible.

Later tonight I will reply to your posts with counterarguements, but I'm doing other stuff right now. I'll BRB later!

There is no proof that I can think of that late term abortions are a federal crime. If so, give me some proof. And while some late term abortions are for saving the mother's life, the "health" of the mother is just a loophole that allows many elective late term abortions to happen. And, you callous people don't even care how much pain the baby feels, because "its just a woman's body". Well, if it can feel discomfort and pain, it's not a woman's body anymore.

Originally Posted by The Amazing Sam's Ego

There is no proof that I can think of that late term abortions are a federal crime. If so, give me some proof.

Gee and I had to look so FAR from Wiki

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortio..._United_States

Abortion in the United States deals with the ongoing debate in the United States of abortion-related issues. Various anti-abortion laws had been on every state statute book since at least 1900. Abortion was prohibited in 30 states and legal under certain circumstances (such as pregnancies resulting from rape or incest) in 20 states. The Supreme Court 1973 decision Roe v. Wade invalidated all of these laws, and set guidelines for the availability of abortion.
Roe established that the abortion right "must be considered against important state interests in regulation."[1] Roe established a "trimester" threshold of state interest in the life of the fetus corresponding to its increasing "viability" (likelihood of survival outside the uterus) over the course of a pregnancy, such that states were prohibited from banning abortion early in pregnancy but allowed to impose increasing restrictions or outright bans later in pregnancy.
That decision was modified by the 1992 case Planned Parenthood v. Casey, which upheld the "central holding" in Roe, but replacing the trimester system with the point of fetal viability (whenever it may occur) as defining a state's right to override the woman's autonomy. Casey also lowered the legal standard to which states would be held in justifying restrictions imposed on a woman's rights. Roe had held this to be "strict scrutiny" - the traditional Supreme Court test for impositions upon fundamental Constitutional rights - whereas Casey created a new standard referring to "undue burden", specifically to balance the state's and the woman's interests in the case of abortion. Before Roe v. Wade, abortion was legal in several areas of the United States, but that decision imposed a uniform framework for state legislation on the subject, and established a minimal period during which abortion must be legal (under greater or lesser degrees of restriction throughout the pregnancy). That basic framework, modified in Casey, remains nominally in place, although the effective availability of abortion varies significantly from state to state.

And while some late term abortions are for saving the mother's life, the "health" of the mother is just a loophole that allows many elective late term abortions to happen. And, you callous people don't even care how much pain the baby feels, because "its just a woman's body". Well, if it can feel discomfort and pain, it's not a woman's body anymore.

but what if, like the overwhelming majority of late abortion the foetus is so malformed that it is incompatible with life?

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I never gave any thought to the possibility of birth defects. My first pregnancy was completely uneventful. But because I was over 35 at the time of this second, my insurance paid for an amnio, so at 15 weeks I had one.


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A couple weeks later, the phone rang. I was home from work with a cold, and the first thing the geneticist asked was "Are you alone?" I thought that was odd, but said that I was, and asked her what she knew about my pregnancy. I fully expected that she would tell me the gender and that all was well, and I'd have good news to tell everyone I knew. Instead, she asked me if I had ever heard of chromosomal translocation. I had actually, as I had majored in biology in college.


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It turns out that I'm a carrier for this condition, and statistically 50% of fetuses I might conceive would suffer massive birth defects. In short, if I gave birth, my child would never sit up, recognize me or speak. Massive heath problems, such as heart, lung or seizure disorders would probably occur. A sonogram that day revealed that a large part of the brain was missing. With the intensive care my husband and I would by law, be required to pay for, this child might live for years. We had health insurance, but we would probably still lose our home, face bankruptcy, and be unable to send our first child to college. We found the prospect of the emotional and financial stress we faced bleak and miserable.


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I had always been pro-choice, but it had been a theoretical concept to me before. It had never occurred to me that I would have to exercise this choice. I was happily married and wanted another child. Why would I ever chooses an abortion?

http://rhrealitycheck.org/article/20...bortion-story/

Originally Posted by Bowerbird

Gee and I had to look so FAR from Wiki

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortio..._United_States




but what if, like the overwhelming majority of late abortion the foetus is so malformed that it is incompatible with life?



http://rhrealitycheck.org/article/20...bortion-story/

I don't know what to say. You are not directly arguing against what I'm saying.

And, also, you still didn't answer my questions.

According to roe vs wade, a state can only forbid late term abortions if it provides an exception to the mother's life or HEALTH, and, to quote John mccain," that's been twisted around by the pro abortion crowd to mean almost anything."

Originally Posted by The Amazing Sam's Ego

I don't know what to say. You are not directly arguing against what I'm saying.

And, also, you still didn't answer my questions.

According to roe vs wade, a state can only forbid late term abortions if it provides an exception to the mother's life or HEALTH, and, to quote John mccain," that's been twisted around by the pro abortion crowd to mean almost anything."

Hhhmmmmmm - yes - would you rather the Irish solution which leads to an increase in Maternal Mortality??

Originally Posted by Bowerbird

Hhhmmmmmm - yes - would you rather the Irish solution which leads to an increase in Maternal Mortality??

Some women even die from legal abortions too. That coat hanger arguement is absolutley false.