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Old 08-11-2004, 05:13 PM
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Default Preborn civil rights

I think the preborn are being discriminated against and being denied their
civil rights. They have no voice like many others in our population that are unable to care for themselves. Yes abortion is legal but it wasn't always so.
I don't think our country is any better off because of it. Child abuse is at an
all time high. Fatherless children are still on government rolls, only now more so, because there is no social stigma. The rich and educated have the majority of abortions while the poor are still trapped and usually have their children. The age of instant gratification has gotten us nowhere yet the preborn are being denied their fundamental civil rights.
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Old 08-12-2004, 05:40 AM
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I think the preborn are being discriminated against and being denied their
civil rights. They have no voice like many others in our population that are unable to care for themselves. Yes abortion is legal but it wasn't always so.
I don't think our country is any better off because of it. Child abuse is at an
all time high. Fatherless children are still on government rolls, only now more so, because there is no social stigma. The rich and educated have the majority of abortions while the poor are still trapped and usually have their children. The age of instant gratification has gotten us nowhere yet the preborn are being denied their fundamental civil rights.
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Most of what you have described has referred to the newly born and the not-quite-so-newly-born and their "civil rights" being ignored. Denying the "rich and educated" or anyone else the right to abortion will not help those who were not aborted.

Prior to the legalisation of abortion and prior to the current generation, children were treated far worse - social legislation to curtail child abuses of working in sweat shops did not exist until about 100 years ago. Prior to that legislation the preferred way of cleaning chimneys was to stick a small boy up them and girls were used to work in cotton spinning mills because of their small fingers. So do not presume today is worse than yesterday... do some research before making presumptive statements that "The age of instant gratification has gotten us nowhere"

As for the pre-born. Their rights are enshrined within the mothers rights but are, rightly, secondary to the mothers rights.

As the sovereign part of a duality (with the pre-born), it is the mother who has to make the decisions for the duality and if it is her decision to abort then it is her sovereign right which is, legally and rightly, respected.
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Default Preborn Civil Rights

You're talking 100 years ago, I'm talking about 30 years ago. The unborn
were protected up till that time. When a mothers privacy became more important than preborn rights, everything changed. Just ask Roe who is sorry she ever brought the suit to the supreme court.
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You're talking 100 years ago, I'm talking about 30 years ago. The unborn
were protected up till that time. When a mothers privacy became more important than preborn rights, everything changed. Just ask Roe who is sorry she ever brought the suit to the supreme court.
I am talking about social progress - which is easiest displayed chronologically, we can go back further and see more examples.

Maybe turn the clock back and bring back the idea of slaves.. dis-enfranchise of the negro to improve labor relations or maybe just go back to "universal sufferage"... maybe you want to go back to the time when women had no vote and no say in their own financial affairs... try to see if that one will fly... trust me, it won't!
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Prior to the legalisation of abortion and prior to the current generation, children were treated far worse "

Worse than death by being torn limb from limb and discarded into dumpsters?...I am quite the history buff, but I don't recall any period in American history in which children were treated in such a manner until Roe v. Wade...
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