Well, I do not see how you can support that decision if you can not define what age it can survive outside the womb.

Yeah, you misunderstood me.

I was asking if the child is too old to abort, can she simply opt to have the doctors induce, or take the child out of her, and be on her way.

Ya see, I see this as one more Excuse for our society.

I killed fifty people because my mommy didnt hold me enough as a child.

I had postpartum depression, so I drowned my kids.

I was young and stupid, and got pregnant, I can not be a parent, so I am going to kill the kid.

It all sounds the same to me. It is just one more excuse for not taking responsibility for your actions.

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Jones:- We're going to teach them climbing, abseiling, canoeing, archery, shooting...

Interviewer:- Shooting! That's a bit irresponsible isn't it?

Jones:- I don't see why, they'll be properly supervised on the range.

Interviewer:- Don't you admit that this is a terribly dangerous activity to be teaching children?
You're equipping them to become violent killers.

Jones:- Well, you're equipped to be a prostitute but you're not one are you?

you probably wouldnt. do you support abortion as long as its performed during the early stages of pregnancy? probably not, because you see it as an excuse for our society, right? i misunderstood you, i see. you actually likened it to mothers drowning their own children. that stuff all sounds the same to you. i guess your view was actually more extreme than i had thought.

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Believe it or not, I am not about telling someone what to do. They have to live with themselves, not me. I do not cry for everyone in the world, ya know.

But in answer to your question. No I do not support abortion in the least, but I am not going to tell her how to behave. I think that a lot can be done to make adoption easier, and while doing that, let the women that are pregnant know that it is easier to adopt out.

If they still choose not to, then it is on them. But I do not want to pay for it.

Also, yeah I did compare it to that woman that drowned her kids. Not because I think it is the same thing, but because I see it as another excuse for not owning up for your actions.

Now can you please answer my question?

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Jones:- We're going to teach them climbing, abseiling, canoeing, archery, shooting...

Interviewer:- Shooting! That's a bit irresponsible isn't it?

Jones:- I don't see why, they'll be properly supervised on the range.

Interviewer:- Don't you admit that this is a terribly dangerous activity to be teaching children?
You're equipping them to become violent killers.

Jones:- Well, you're equipped to be a prostitute but you're not one are you?

im pretty sure ive answered all of your questions. which one are you referring to?

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That one buddy.

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Jones:- We're going to teach them climbing, abseiling, canoeing, archery, shooting...

Interviewer:- Shooting! That's a bit irresponsible isn't it?

Jones:- I don't see why, they'll be properly supervised on the range.

Interviewer:- Don't you admit that this is a terribly dangerous activity to be teaching children?
You're equipping them to become violent killers.

Jones:- Well, you're equipped to be a prostitute but you're not one are you?

already did.

"i suppose kicking it out and telling it to do on its own is possible, if thats how you want to put it. adoption is an option, as many prolifers like to tout. i dont think anyone supports reckless abandonment of a newborn in a dumpster or something like this, if thats what youre likening the scenario to."

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Yeah that did not really answer my question. But maybe I should have worded it different.


But anyway. Obviously many people do acknowledge reckless abandon, if they did not, then there would not be a law on the books to protect them if they were to turn the kid over to a responsible person.

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Jones:- We're going to teach them climbing, abseiling, canoeing, archery, shooting...

Interviewer:- Shooting! That's a bit irresponsible isn't it?

Jones:- I don't see why, they'll be properly supervised on the range.

Interviewer:- Don't you admit that this is a terribly dangerous activity to be teaching children?
You're equipping them to become violent killers.

Jones:- Well, you're equipped to be a prostitute but you're not one are you?

well, i dont consider turning a child over to a more responsible adult reckless, if thats youre meaning. im thinking more along the lines of baby in a dumpster, or in a mcdonalds restroom, for example.

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Er - if you don't believe the data were recorded honestly, why did you post that graph in support of your argument?

I did not dispute that a child born at 23 weeks gestation would be that SIZE, I just said it was a clever photo - designed to manipulate people. Your baby, born at 21 weeks and after two weeks of medical intervention, including drugs to help him breathe and survive, still was attached to tubes, incubators and under very intensive medical care at two weeks of age - it's NOT the equivalent to 23 weeks' gestation because he was already born and being assisted to survive, as are all babies born so prematurely. Their development is significantly advanced by medical intervention, and you cannot say that a child born at 23 weeks' gestation is going to look like the one in that picture.

It would look as your child looked - tiny, fragile, and attached to a myriad of machines to help it survive.

That photo makes it look like a perfect little baby pops out with no intervention needed, and one that would survive easily on its own without any help and would do just fine. Which is rubbish, as you know, from your own experience.

It's a misleading photo, it's propaganda, and people shouldn't be sucked in by it. Babies don't even open their eyes in utero until the 26th week - but they will if they are born too early. There is a lot that is different if a baby is that premature.

If that photo were realistic, all children would be born at 23 weeks gestation because all they would need to do is grow. This is not the case.

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We've got rules and maps and guns in our backs, but we still can't just behave ourselves. Even if to save our own lives, we are a brutal kind. The Shins

Have I seen children that were in the NICU, at that age that were able to be off everything? Most definitely. There were several kids in the NICU that were not on anything but antiBs that were near that age.

Also, do not for one split second think that their development is advanced. My son is almost two years old now, he just started walking a few months ago, he is not even eating baby food yet, and will barely eat biterbiskets (and when he does bite them, he will only take small portions at a time), and is only saying two words. His adjusted age is 15 months. A normal 15 month old should be far more advanced.

Medical care with that early a birth does not advance development, it only supplements the conditions in the womb. The only drugs the kid was on were antibiotics (for pneumonia, and the infestation of bacteria he was forced into isolation for) and pain killers because simply moving in a non fluid filled medium caused him pain.


And if I only fell on my experience with my boy, then I would say you are correct. But fortunately for me. I actually looked around the NICU to see what was going on.

Depends on how early the kid was born. And you are totally wrong on how early they open their eyes in utero. Please read up on some biology. With the new 3d imagery they can see eyes opening as early as 20 weeks.

Now if that picture is real, (and it could be) it does not say that all children born at that age would be like that. From my small experience with them, it tells me that they can be that way, I say that because I have seen kids at that age like that.

But regardless, even if they can not survive without care, they can still survive.

Say I am blown the hell up in Iraq, and I am on a bunch of machines, are you going to pull the plug if the doctor tells you that I have a good solid chance at living a decent life? No you are not.

Now keeping in mind that premies are the exception not the rule, are you going to take that chance away from any kid?

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Jones:- We're going to teach them climbing, abseiling, canoeing, archery, shooting...

Interviewer:- Shooting! That's a bit irresponsible isn't it?

Jones:- I don't see why, they'll be properly supervised on the range.

Interviewer:- Don't you admit that this is a terribly dangerous activity to be teaching children?
You're equipping them to become violent killers.

Jones:- Well, you're equipped to be a prostitute but you're not one are you?