Koga.

Actually, with respect, you did not. Your challenge was based on pure unadulterated emotion, hence not really a challenge as such, at all.

Because the poster in question does not hold the same opinion as yourself, you equate him/her to Hitler. Yet your own emotive, narrow minded behavior, equates more strongly to the mindset of Hitler than that of the poster you rudely admonish.

For the record, as long as the current laws remain in place, a woman has sole control over her own body and no amount of name calling, or emotive rhetoric can change this.

Also for the record, I would personally say that meaningful life (if one is using the term wholly, as thinking, feeling life) actually begins during the 8/9th week of pregnancy.

At this point, when an embryo makes the transition into the foetal period, the neural tube is fully developed, white and grey brain matter has been laid down, synapses (the connections between nerve cells), are found within the cerebral cortex and so the 'life' is able to think, feel and could actively respond to any/all outside stimuli.

How do you expect a Jew to react when Neo-Nazis demand respect?

Answer my question or don't talk to me.

Life began on this planet about 4.2 billion years ago. Each new life since then has been made by life already present here.

So I've noticed. Also, I see Godwin's law strikes again. I'll back up to the last remotely relavent arguement I saw, which was whether a sperm and an egg are alive. Which is barely relevent, since it would be very hard to classify them as dead. The relevent question would be, is it a life seperate from the parents. The problems arise for the exact same reason they do with my original question, which is that the concept of a life, a person, a human being, becomes so incredibly vague when you apply it to a microscopic level. A single cell in any form is so far removed from what we think of as a person that trying to label this or that as a human life becomes a matter of pure feelings. That reduces all arguements on the matter to "I think this", "Well I think this". And that's where Hitler lurks.

true dat. true dat.

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Okamifujutsu.

I have to disagree with you.

The fact that different people have differing opinions on the matter of when life begins, is a recipe for healthy debate in my personal opinion.

Holding and stating differing opinions on when one believes 'life actually begins' does not, to my mind, necessarily mean that Hitler is 'lurking' anywhere.

Only when such personal opinions become an all encompassing ideology, an unmovable quest, that uses sophisticated chicanery to impose such an ideology on the majority, using intimidation and aggression as a means to an end, could ones opinions be construed as dangerous, or 'Hitleresque'.

My turn to have a go. And before I start, just in case you haven't read any of my other posts in this section, I am in my seventh month of pregnancy and I fully believe that my foetus is a human life. However I am pro-choice. It is possible to resolve this conflict if you have an open mind.

Do you know the vast majority of people who support abortion? I would disagree with this statement, I don't think there are many out there who disagree that life begins with conception. There are varying schools of thought on what `kind' of life that is, though.

Well, that depends on the stage of gestational development.

Because if left long enough and bar accident or misfortune it will become a human person. That's not easy.

Because again, it depends on your views of just when during it's gestational development it is considered human enough to make termination questionable.

I guess you would have to be in that situation before you could answer that.

No justification for abortion is necessary anyway. Unless to those who ask for it. And mostly not even then.

Depending on your circumstances.

Well, many are. And many are not. Each case should be looked at individually.

No you wouldn't. You would be charged with manslaughter, or bodily harm occasioning death. Only if there were evidence of malice aforethought could you be charged with murder.

And, to address another point you have raised, does having a penis give you some power of authority over both genders that makes you feel as though you have a right to dictate the behaviour and decisions of all?

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The question is a moot one.

Rather than arguing what cannot be agreed upon by the scientific community, you should instead focus your attention towards something that might actually be effective in satisfying both parties.

Right to lifers are mad because they believe that the embryo has no protections under the law, essentially.

Pro Choice is mad because no woman wants to be forced by the state to carry a child to term. They feel what is being asked of them is invasive and Orwellian.

You have to look for an answer that is going to satisfy both groups, instead of pointless debate on who is right. Set aside the argument for a moment and think about it. What would actually make both sides happy?

Step with me into the what if machine for a moment... What if we expended our efforts into devising a way to nurture an embryo artificially to term? Or in other instances, a means to take that living embryo and implant it into a mother that cannot produce a fertile egg, or a mother who wants to have a child without a husband, or a volunteer? The rights of the embryo are protected, and at the same time the mother is absolved of her parental obligaition as well as the physical discomforts of pregnancy? Take it a step further and make a system where the genetic heritage of the child is kept on file devoid of any parenting information so that the child can have accurate medical care without exposing the parentage.

Streamline the process by allowing parents to fasttrack in the adoption process, instead of making the process take years to complete. Candidates medically cleared, could accept the fetus based on their genetic qualities before the baby is born.

How much further along would we be in this, if we stopped trying to win an argument, and concentrated more on solving the problem? You're not going to get anywhere in trying to force your views--whatever they are, on someone who doesn't share them. It doesn't have to be either or... Devote your effort to the solution and not the continuing argument....

Congratulations I hope all goes well for you.

I agree that it is possible to resolve such a conflict, but I do think recognizing that circumstance plays a much larger part in decision making of this nature, than just having an open mind.

No matter what those who advocate pro life may sometimes think, I am sure very few women decide to terminate a pregnancy lightly, or as a form of contraception and I am sure that many wish some other realistic solution were open to them.

The main problem I personally have with the mindset of many pro life supporters is, that the solutions they offer as an alternative to termination are not very practical in many cases and certainly not realistic in others.

Although to be fair, black and white thinking prevents supporters from both sides of the fence from looking at the issue from the opposing sides perspective, this is a difficulty we all face in many walks of life, not just this issue of course. We are probably all guilty of this to a certain extent if we are really honest with ourselves, I know I am sometimes.

If one looks at the available statistics (most are available from pro life sources) the majority of women tend to ensure they terminate well within the first trimester, usually within 9 weeks gestation.

This suggests that a proportion of women seeking termination probably and quite understandably, conjure up a mental picture of unrecognizable developing cells a few centimeters in size, rather than a full term, 8lb chubby, wholly recognizable, thinking, feeling, baby.

I am sure, as you already stated, that many of our fellow women undertaking a termination, probably do feel that the embryo is actually a living entity, but not at this point 'human'. I can completely relate to this, from a scientific/medical perspective.

Circumstances and the possible (probable) repercussions make it impossible for many of said women to carry a pregnancy to term, so they deal with the situation as best they can. I do not feel they should be condemned as some would wish.

Regarding the power of authority and some penises, well said.

If anyone is interested in termination stats, this is a very comprehensive source, there are many others available of course, if you would rather to do your own searches.

http://www.abortionno.org/Resources/fastfacts.html