When does life begin? - Page 7

Koga · #61 (**permalink**) 04-25-2008, 01:33 PM

I hate this question. I really do.

We all know when life begins. Sperm meets egg, zygote is created.

Zygote=Life.

The question choicers nee to ask themselves instead of botherng other people is "when do rights begin?"

My answer: Before you even leave the womb.

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Originally Posted by Jeremiah 1:5

Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you. Before you were born.

DanishDynamite · #62 (**permalink**) 04-25-2008, 01:34 PM

A fetus arises when a sperm enters an egg. The sperm, the egg, and the fetus all have "life". The question as to when life arose as such is known as being no less that 4 billion years ago. It may possibly have occured before than.

Qwerty · #63 (**permalink**) 04-25-2008, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Koga

We all know when life begins. Sperm meets egg, zygote is created.

Zygote=Life.

So you're against the pill too?

Koga · #64 (**permalink**) 04-25-2008, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Qwerty

So you're against the pill too?

I don't know a whole lot abot plan B.

However, if it destroys a zygote which is just an earlier stage of the fetus, then yes, I'm againt it.

I'm not against pregnancy prevention, I'm against pregnancy termination.

Sadistic-Savior · #65 (**permalink**) 04-25-2008, 01:41 PM

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The sperm, the egg, and the fetus all have "life".

That is incorrect. Observe:

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Conventional definition: Often scientists say that life is a characteristic of organisms that exhibit the following phenomena:

1. Homeostasis: Regulation of the internal environment to maintain a constant state; for example, sweating to reduce temperature.

2. Organization: Being composed of one or more cells, which are the basic units of life.

3. Metabolism: Consumption of energy by converting nonliving material into cellular components (anabolism) and decomposing organic matter (catabolism). Living things require energy to maintain internal organization (homeostasis) and to produce the other phenomena associated with life.

4. Growth: Maintenance of a higher rate of synthesis than catalysis. A growing organism increases in size in all of its parts, rather than simply accumulating matter. The particular species begins to multiply and expand as the evolution continues to flourish.

5. Adaptation: The ability to change over a period of time in response to the environment. This ability is fundamental to the process of evolution and is determined by the organism's heredity as well as the composition of metabolized substances, and external factors present.

6. Response to stimuli: A response can take many forms, from the contraction of a unicellular organism when touched to complex reactions involving all the senses of higher animals. A response is often expressed by motion, for example, the leaves of a plant turning toward the sun or an animal chasing its prey.

7. Reproduction: The ability to produce new organisms. Reproduction can be the division of one cell to form two new cells. Usually the term is applied to the production of a new individual (either asexually, from a single parent organism, or sexually, from at least two differing parent organisms), although strictly speaking it also describes the production of new cells in the process of growth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life#Definitions

Two sperms cant reproduce with each other. No matter how old they get, or how long they are allowed to develop.

But a fetus will eventually mature and be capable of reproduction. So even a zygote fits the definition above. But a sperm does not.

Qwerty · #66 (**permalink**) 04-25-2008, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Koga

I don't know a whole lot abot plan B.

No, not the morning after pill. Just the regular pill.

DanishDynamite · #67 (**permalink**) 04-25-2008, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Sadistic-Savior

That is incorrect. Observe:

Two sperms cant reproduce with each other. No matter how old they get, or how long they are allowed to develop.

Certainly not, but they still have life.

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But a fetus will eventually mature and be capable of reproduction. So even a zygote fits the definition above. But a sperm does not.

Are you saying that a sperm and an egg do not have life? That means that everytime they join to create a fertilized egg, life is created from non-life?

Sadistic-Savior · #68 (**permalink**) 04-25-2008, 01:53 PM

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Certainly not, but they still have life.

It is not life by the accepted definition.

Being able to move on your own is not sufficient to be considered a life.

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Are you saying that a sperm and an egg do not have life?

I'm saying that we make a distinction. I didnt make up that definition myself...thats the definition used by the majority of the scientific community.

You wanted to play on semantics...well, this is the definition. When we talk about something being a life, this is what we mean. A skin cell is not analogous to a zygote. A sperm is not analogous to a zygote.

DanishDynamite · #69 (**permalink**) 04-25-2008, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Sadistic-Savior

It is not life by the accepted definition.

Being able to move on your own is not sufficient to be considered a life.

So you are saying that a sperm and an egg do not have life?

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I'm saying that we make a distinction. I didnt make up that definition myself...thats the definition used by the majority of the scientific community.

You wanted to play on semantics...well, this is the definition. When we talk about something being a life, this is what we mean. A skin cell is not analogous to a zygote. A sperm is not analogous to a zygote.

Please, just answer my simple question. Is a living zygote created by two non-life entities, in your view?

Sadistic-Savior · #70 (**permalink**) 04-25-2008, 02:06 PM

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Please, just answer my simple question. Is a living zygote created by two non-life entities, in your view?

It is created by what amounts to two organs. By scientific definition, a sperm is not alive.

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