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Old 04-28-2009, 04:18 PM
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I think twelve is a little too young, but I support this idea in principle. Much better than the direction we're heading currently.
Long ago people married much younger and it was different. Now you are asking people well into their sexual years to be abstinent. It just is not going to work. Change the age of marriage and have the families help them out. This is what was done in the past. It would work today as well. I'm not sure of an age. Twelve comes to mind as that is when humans are becoming sexual. It could be older by a couple of years I suppose but the older it gets the more chances that the girl will be at the abortion clinic.
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Old 04-28-2009, 04:33 PM
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Until they are 18 they are still under care and rule of their parents. Parents have the God given right to be the authority over their child.
But the girl is still a child and no one can usurp the parent's authority unless someone can prove parental abuse.
Well in some minds it may be a god given right. Parents do have a right to guide their children. They don't have a right to enforce many views into their heads.

To many parents want to control children as if they are toys. You can hope that a child will have your values but enforcing it as in religion is abuse. If a girl wants an abortion and the parents are Christian they are liable to force her into having that child. Not good. Notification is only a problem when the girl is terrified of her parents and their reaction. Parental notification is so bad.

By the parents forcing the girl to keep an unwanted child that would be abuse.
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Until they are 18 they are still under care and rule of their parents. Parents have the God given right to be the authority over their child.
Apparently God believes that young women ages 12+ can handle parenthood. If a woman that young can handle parenthood, it makes no sense for them to be under the rule of their parents until they are 18.

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If they are old enough that you think they should have privacy rights concerning their medical decisions, they are old enough that they should no longer be considered children.

If a woman is under the legal age and she cannot talk to her parents about abortion, then she has absolutely no business whatsoever having sex. Period.
Unrealistic.
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Until they are 18 they are still under care and rule of their parents. Parents have the God given right to be the authority over their child.


But the girl is still a child and no one can usurp the parent's authority unless someone can prove parental abuse.

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Simply not true. Depends on the age of consent in a given state. In most, 14 is the average age of consent for health care matters. By law, after the age of consent in whatever state of the union it is, parents do not have the right to make health care decisions for a consenting adolescent. You can argue if thats a right or wrong, but those are the facts.
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Unrealistic.
On the contrary. There's nothing unrealistic about the law recognizing that people who are sexually mature ought to be regarded as adults.
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Actually, I said a large number, not the majority. However, if even a few out of a hundred will be kicked onto the street, beaten, killed or otherwise hurt by their parents being notified, then I am against forcing the issue. What if the guardian is the one raping them? You are going to tell that person that the child went for help?

So if the child is being raped or beaten by the guardian and they choose to go to PP where the law already states that the incident should be reported, then why shouldn't they just go to the police? I understand that the child would be scared out of their mind to go to the police but knowing that PP already should be reporting these things is no different. The minor also has the right to give the child up for adoption ya know. But I'm sure someone will have an ugly comment about that as well.
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Well in some minds it may be a god given right. Parents do have a right to guide their children. They don't have a right to enforce many views into their heads.

To many parents want to control children as if they are toys. You can hope that a child will have your values but enforcing it as in religion is abuse. If a girl wants an abortion and the parents are Christian they are liable to force her into having that child. Not good. Notification is only a problem when the girl is terrified of her parents and their reaction. Parental notification is so bad.

By the parents forcing the girl to keep an unwanted child that would be abuse.

You are against forcing daughters to keep a baby because it is abuse but what is forcing that baby to never experence life because you think it will have a better life not being born.
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On the contrary. There's nothing unrealistic about the law recognizing that people who are sexually mature ought to be regarded as adults.
As long as that sexual maturity is NOT the product of abuse (and a significant amount is) then I have no problem with this stance.
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