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So instead of the courageous vision of rising above obstacles (which probably aren't even there in the first place or don't matter), we should just kill people that encounter obstacles that make you have feelings?

The idea that you have to love what you see in the mirror, and that it is critical to life that you do is a sickness that you have. Everybody has to deal with getting teased at some point. EVERYBODY. She probably won't get teased nearly as much as most people anyway because she has reached the point where people will feel sorry for her instead. Every teenage girl becomes depressed about their looks.

I still have a hard time believing that your arguments are serious. You are trying to find excuses to murder. There is something seriously wrong with YOU.

Well, you are pro life, correct? Which means we are never going to agree on this.
What of the photos you showed on the first page? Would you abort that child?
I have simply said things here they way I see them. I would honestly consider the childs future. I would not want them to be unhappy with themselves, and a child like Julianna would, quite possibly, be unhappier than most. I couldn't take that risk. I would not want my child to suffer physically, or emotionally. But that's just me, others would feel differently, and I don't understand why they would have such a child, but it's their decision I guess, although I wouldn't agree.
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What of the photos you showed on the first page? Would you abort that child?
I don't think that the baby in that picture has any quantity of life to be in favor of. It is so sad. It is nearly a stillbirth.
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I don't think that the baby in that picture has any quantity of life to be in favor of. It is so sad. It is nearly a stillbirth.
Okay, so we agree on one thing. That's a start.

Is there any disability or defect that would make you abort?

Heart condition - meaning baby would die shortly after birth?
Cystic Fibrosis?
Downs Syndrome?
Trisomy 18?

You draw the line at the child you posted - is there another line?

Just curious, by the way.
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Okay, so we agree on one thing. That's a start.

Is there any disability or defect that would make you abort?

Heart condition - meaning baby would die shortly after birth?
Cystic Fibrosis?
Downs Syndrome?
Trisomy 18?

You draw the line at the child you posted - is there another line?

Just curious, by the way.
Agreement should not be the goal, necessarily. If agreement happens, that is okay. The goal should be the truth and a better world.
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Agreement should not be the goal, necessarily. If agreement happens, that is okay. The goal should be the truth and a better world.
Agreement, like I said before, is something we will never reach. Understanding, now that's possible.
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Okay, so we agree on one thing. That's a start.

Is there any disability or defect that would make you abort?

Heart condition - meaning baby would die shortly after birth?
Cystic Fibrosis?
Downs Syndrome?
Trisomy 18?

You draw the line at the child you posted - is there another line?

Just curious, by the way.
Barnacles would be good enough reason for me
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Barnacles would be good enough reason for me
Makes me think of that poor man with the tumours on him...now which thread was that in again?
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I don't think that the baby in that picture has any quantity of life to be in favor of. It is so sad. It is nearly a stillbirth.
You may want to attempt to read the article before pontificating on the child's quality of life. She has a normal, fully developed brain, and there was no mention of mental or developmental abnormalities besides the difficulty she suffers from her deformity.

This condition is not co-morbid with retardation or lack of brain development. From the National Craniofacial Association (emphasis mine)

"Most children with Treacher Collins have normal development and intelligence; however, it is important that there be early hearing tests. Most children with Treacher Collins Syndrome benefit from early intervention speech and language programs."

http://www.faces-cranio.org/Disord/Treacher.htm

You may also want to meet this "stillbirth", who has the same genetic deformity (though a less severe case) and was at the time of the writing a third-year medical resident:

http://www.treachercollins.org/main.html
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You may want to attempt to read the article before pontificating on the child's quality of life. She has a normal, fully developed brain, and there was no mention of mental or developmental abnormalities besides the difficulty she suffers from her deformity.

This condition is not co-morbid with retardation or lack of brain development. From the National Craniofacial Association (emphasis mine)

"Most children with Treacher Collins have normal development and intelligence; however, it is important that there be early hearing tests. Most children with Treacher Collins Syndrome benefit from early intervention speech and language programs."

http://www.faces-cranio.org/Disord/Treacher.htm

You may also want to meet this "stillbirth", who has the same genetic deformity (though a less severe case) and was at the time of the writing a third-year medical resident:

http://www.treachercollins.org/main.html
You don't know what you are talking about in the same way that Seigi doesn't know what he is talking about. You both seem to have skipped a post or two. Retrace your steps in this thread.
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You don't know what you are talking about in the same way that Seigi doesn't know what he is talking about. You both seem to have skipped a post or two. Retrace your steps in this thread.
I don't think he read the first page properly.

SentWest, you are refering to the baby that STW posted on the first page - the child who is almost a stillbirth, yet you refer to that same child as if she has Treacher Collins - it's not the same child.
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