Where Do You Draw The Line? - Page 6

TheChief · #51 (**permalink**) 05-07-2008, 03:27 AM

The line ayy? i would call that thing the line. Infact perhaps its a few steps behind the line.

I also think its wierd how there giving it painful surgery to make it look human.. it would probable only make it worse. = (

Seigi · #52 (**permalink**) 05-07-2008, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Makedde

You know the sad thing? If she were an animal, they would have shot her on birth.

That's the sad truth of it all - that can't be done for children born with defects like this - every effort must be made to save them, when their lives may be virtually pointless.

Animals are shot when their existence is inconvenient, a threshold that can come quite a while before life is a curse.

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Originally Posted by SpankyTheWhale

You don't know what you are talking about in the same way that Seigi doesn't know what he is talking about. You both seem to have skipped a post or two. Retrace your steps in this thread.

Yeah, I was referring to Julianna and didn't notice Makedde wasn't. You could be more specific though, I thought you were addressing my thoughts on her case. I stand by my opinion that aborting her would not have been in her best interests.

To any readers coming in: on the first post is link to a second case, the really cold posts are with respect to this case, which (although I can't find it in the case report) apparently has no brain. Literally. No thoughts, no pain, no hunger, no joy, no emotion, no sight, no hearing, no memory, no person. (Hence my use of the word "case" rather than "baby".)

http://www.obgyn.net/ultrasound/ultr...3/merchan_lbwc

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Originally Posted by Makedde

You mean to say that people would never be disillusioned with the way they look?

Oh she'll be disillusioned. Heavily. A pity she can't be kept away from reflective surfaces for her early years. But being disillusioned doesn't automatically make life a curse.

Makedde · #53 (**permalink**) 05-07-2008, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Seigi

Animals are shot when their existence is inconvenient, a threshold that can come quite a while before life is a curse.

If a cow is born with two heads, the farmer will shoot it, not because it is inconvenient, but because the cow is clearly deformed. It has nothing to do with inconvenience, unless the farmer simply didn't want any more cows in his paddock.

And no, I am not equating Julianna to a cow. Lets be clear on that one.

SpankyTheWhale · #54 (**permalink**) 05-08-2008, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Seigi

Oh she'll be disillusioned. Heavily. A pity she can't be kept away from reflective surfaces for her early years. But being disillusioned doesn't automatically make life a curse.

How do you know that she is not a confident human being?

Makedde · #55 (**permalink**) 05-08-2008, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by SpankyTheWhale

How do you know that she is not a confident human being?

She is too young to be confident. She is unaware of what the word means. I believe she is happy, but I wouldn't say she is confident.

SpankyTheWhale · #56 (**permalink**) 05-08-2008, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Makedde

She is too young to be confident. She is unaware of what the word means. I believe she is happy, but I wouldn't say she is confident.

Lack of vocabulary does not equal lack of understanding of feeling.

Makedde · #57 (**permalink**) 05-08-2008, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by SpankyTheWhale

Lack of vocabulary does not equal lack of understanding of feeling.

I know this, but I still wouldn't call her confident. Happy, safe, yes, but confident? I don't think so. Possibly she is, but I don't know.

SpankyTheWhale · #58 (**permalink**) 05-08-2008, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Makedde

I know this, but I still wouldn't call her confident. Happy, safe, yes, but confident? I don't think so. Possibly she is, but I don't know.

No confidence=abortion okay? That is ludicrous.

Makedde · #59 (**permalink**) 05-08-2008, 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by SpankyTheWhale

No confidence=abortion okay? That is ludicrous.

I did not say this, nor did I mean it.

SpankyTheWhale · #60 (**permalink**) 05-08-2008, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Makedde

I did not say this, nor did I mean it.

Then why does it matter whether or not she is confident?

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