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Sex is a desire, it is not a need.
So, if you had no intention of fathering a child, you would abstain from sex for the rest of your life?
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Like with a great many things, the U.S. is not consistent. It's a hallmark of our government. When it comes to abortion the fetus is not considered a person. However, if you kill a fetus in the commission of a crime it is considered a person. This is because we have federal laws and state laws. States are free to make killing a fetus in the commission of a crime against state law. But they cannot ban abortion because of Roe v. Wade.
Aha, thank you for explaining that one.

EDIT: Wait, what about South Dakota? Didn't they ban abortion?
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EDIT: Wait, what about South Dakota? Didn't they ban abortion?
Well yes, they did. But it was eventually overturned by voters in a referendum. And if it hadn't been, the Supreme Court would have overturned the law as being in violation of Roe v. Wade. States pass unconstitutional laws on a fairly regular basis. But the laws are always struck down. In other words, they can pass a law, but that doesn't mean it will stick.

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In South Dakota, the following restrictions on abortion were in effect as of January 2008:
The parent of a minor must be notified before an abortion is provided.
A woman must receive state-directed counseling that includes information designed to discourage her from having an abortion and then wait 24 hours before the procedure is provided.
Public funding is available for abortion only in cases of life endangerment.
So you can still get one.
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Those who think abortion is murder do so on the basis of the black and white generalizations and abstraction, neither of which have any place in a rational debate. In the face of overpopulation and scarcity of resources, which causes poverty and death in themselves, abortion is an fact of great compassion.
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So you can still get one.
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Public funding is available for abortion only in cases of life endangerment.
Abortion to save ones life is rare - does this mean that poorer women must pay for their own abortions? Is there any funding to help them pay the costs?
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Abortion to save ones life is rare - does this mean that poorer women must pay for their own abortions? Is there any funding to help them pay the costs?
Planned parenthood has a sliding scale. So yes.
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You've made the assumption that it's not murder if life is indanger or raped.


This is ridicules. If I hold a gun to your head, and tell you to kill a small child or I will shoot you. Is it not murder if you kill the small child?


The fact is yes, your life is indanger. But that does not permit you to kill another human being, at that an innocent human being, with a clear conscience. Nor should it grant you any protection under the law.


Rape is even worse an excuse. If I rape you, and I mean hardcore rape where I pin you down, smack you around, and leave you with major butthurt. And you go out and kill a child as a result. Are you justified? Do you expect the law to turn an eye to that?



There is no rationality behind abortion. Only poor attempts at catering to the emotions of others. Yet ironicaly, to be prochoice, one has to be a very cold, distant, sociopath. Not to be at all disturbed by the slaughtering of innocent children...
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You've made the assumption that it's not murder if life is indanger or raped.


This is ridicules. If I hold a gun to your head, and tell you to kill a small child or I will shoot you. Is it not murder if you kill the small child?


The fact is yes, your life is indanger. But that does not permit you to kill another human being, at that an innocent human being, with a clear conscience. Nor should it grant you any protection under the law.


Rape is even worse an excuse. If I rape you, and I mean hardcore rape where I pin you down, smack you around, and leave you with major butthurt. And you go out and kill a child as a result. Are you justified? Do you expect the law to turn an eye to that?



There is no rationality behind abortion. Only poor attempts at catering to the emotions of others. Yet ironicaly, to be prochoice, one has to be a very cold, distant, sociopath. Not to be at all disturbed by the slaughtering of innocent children...
I agree. People like that are sick and wrong.
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heres a way to come to terms with it. realize that there is no specific moment at which life begins, and that the designation of any point as the beginning of life is simply a matter of opinion. people can put different types or stages of life on different levels, but when the beginning of life is is something i doubt we will ever know.
Then if you are in my way while walking down the street I should be able to kill you?
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Abortion to save ones life is rare - does this mean that poorer women must pay for their own abortions? Is there any funding to help them pay the costs?
Oh goody. The next thing I wanted the government to do with the money it wrongfully took from me was to fund state sponsored murder.
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