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Those who think abortion is murder do so on the basis of the black and white generalizations and abstraction, neither of which have any place in a rational debate. In the face of overpopulation and scarcity of resources, which causes poverty and death in themselves, abortion is an fact of great compassion.
Overpopulation does not exist except in the minds of people who have no faith in humanity or creativity. People who believe in overpopulation have stunted mental growth. Life is better than no life. Period.
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You assume abortion is murder, when legally, it is not.
Your mistake, and it is huge, is that you base your opinion on legality instead of morality.

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No it isn't. With murder you have to prove intent. Someone could not be blamed for taking the life of another to save themselves. You could possibly be the one facing charges, because the child would not have died if you hadn't threatened someones life.
There is a VERY VERY VERY STRONG edict in Judaism (that I also independently agree with) that uses this VERY same scenario. If someone tells you that the will kill you unless you kill somebody else, you must die.


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So a woman who's pregnancy would kill her should be made to continue with that pregnancy even though it will kill her?
You are saying the life of a fetus is worth more than the life of the mother.
I, for one, AM. Adoption for the baby is always possible.

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Yes, I am justified because the law is behind me.
Obviously you have never been raped, or else your opinion would be different.
You GOTTA be kidding me. Might makes right is actually a belief of compassion? You are walking a particularly thin tightrope.

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Well, okay then. I'm cold, distant, and a sociopath.
I am not disturbed at the 'slaughtering' of 'innocent' children because I see nothing wrong with abortion.
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The unborn could not have possibly done anything wrong.
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Your mistake, and it is huge, is that you base your opinion on legality instead of morality.
I base it on my moral opinion, too. I see nothing wrong with abortion. The fact that it is legal means nothing, but the fact is that abortion cannot be murder because it is legal. I simple remind people they are wrong when they say it is murder.

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There is a VERY VERY VERY STRONG edict in Judaism (that I also independently agree with) that uses this VERY same scenario. If someone tells you that the will kill you unless you kill somebody else, you must die.
Look, if someone told me that I had to kill someone or I would die, I'd prefer to die myself. I couldn't live with myself if I killed another person. I do have a conscience.

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I, for one, AM. Adoption for the baby is always possible.
It depends on the stage of pregnancy. If the fetus is viable, decisions would have to be made. If the woman was more likely to survive by aborting than by delivering her child, abortion must be the option. Whichever option is safest for the mother. Maybe the fetus could live, maybe not, but the most important person here is the life of the mother.

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You GOTTA be kidding me. Might makes right is actually a belief of compassion? You are walking a particularly thin tightrope.
It is possible that someone could change their mind after being raped. The people in this forum stating that rape is no excuse have obviously never been raped. They do not know how it feels, they do not know how dirty you feel afterward, nor how long it takes to recover. No rape victim should be made to carry a child if she is not emotionally stable - it is not fair on her. Her emotional and psychological heath come first.

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The unborn could not have possibly done anything wrong.
I am saying they did anything wrong. I am just saying I see nothing wrong with abortion, because I believe in the right to choose.
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It depends on the stage of pregnancy. If the fetus is viable, decisions would have to be made. If the woman was more likely to survive by aborting than by delivering her child, abortion must be the option. Whichever option is safest for the mother. Maybe the fetus could live, maybe not, but the most important person here is the life of the mother.
The fetus's life is always more important than the mother's.

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It is possible that someone could change their mind after being raped. The people in this forum stating that rape is no excuse have obviously never been raped. They do not know how it feels, they do not know how dirty you feel afterward, nor how long it takes to recover. No rape victim should be made to carry a child if she is not emotionally stable - it is not fair on her. Her emotional and psychological heath come first.
It doesn't matter how you feel. You gain emotional stability from a properly supportive social atmosphere, not from getting an abortion. In cases of rape, go after the rapist, not the baby.
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Let's be clear about this. Overpopulation in the sense that we don't have enough food to go around, is a myth. The problem is not that we don't have enough food to go around but that the people who are starving and go to bed hungry do not have the money to pay for it. The inherent anarchic capitalist system ensures that overproduction is a recurring theme in the history of this barbaric system. Food production far exceeds human reproduction. To argue that we need more abortion to offset potential starvation is therefore an insidious suggestion. I am in favour of abortion not on this spurious basis, but on the basis that its the right of the woman to be able to choose to do with her body as she sees fit.

A major debate on abortion took place in the British House of Commons yesterday (Monday 12 May). Amendments to our government's Human Fertilization and Embryology bill aims to limit women's access to abortion. Anti-abortionists argue that foetuses feel pain. But there is no evidence of this. Our government's Science and Technology Committee concluded that evidence "does not indicate that pain is consciously felt, especially not below the current upper gestational limit of abortion". A report in the British Medical Journal by Dr Stuart Derbyshire found that there is "good evidence" to show that foetuses do not feel pain, and that the neural circuitry for processing pain cannot be considered complete until 26 weeks. And the pyschological processes that make sense of pain are not developed until after this stage.

Anti-abortionists also argue that babies can now survive earlier due to advances in medical technology, so late abortions performed shouldn't be allowed. The evidence for this is problematic to say the least. The committee concuded that, "while survival rates at 24 weeks and over have improved they have not done so below the gestational point."

"Put another way, we have seen no good evidence to suggest that foetal viability has improved significantly since the abortion time limit was last set, and seen some good evidence to suggest that it has not."

Doctors have voted overwhelmingly to keep the current time limit. Up to 80 percent of members of the General Medical Council voted to keep the post-20 week abortions legal. So-called "late abortions" - those that take place after 20 weeks - are a focus for anti-abortionists because 83 percent of people in Britain support a woman's right to choose. So they hope to chip away at our rights gradually, and think that "late abortions" are an easy target. Their focus on this distorts the reality of abortion in Britain.

Late abortions are very rare - less than 1 percent of all abortions in Britain take place after 22 weeks. It is women in the most difficult circumstances that need them. Women access abortions because they need them. It is the woman, not some vague idea about the "unborn" that matters. A woman should not be forced to stay pregnant and give birth to a child against her will. We have to defeat the attack on abortion to show the bigots they cannot come back again and again to chip away at a womans right to choose. For more go to www.abortionrights.org.uk
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The fetus's life is always more important than the mother's.
Even if it meant the woman would certainly die without an abortion, she should be expected to sacrifice her life to save the life of a non viable child, who may or may not survive?

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It doesn't matter how you feel. You gain emotional stability from a properly supportive social atmosphere, not from getting an abortion. In cases of rape, go after the rapist, not the baby.
You are forgetting that not all women have a network of support. Many women are alone, with no one to turn to.
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