A New Look at Abortion

Kufnaka · #1 (**permalink**) 05-07-2008, 08:01 PM

I just decided to come back to this site after a several moth hiatus, and would like to bring up a new argument against abortion.

After several debates with my friends, it's become obvious that there's no logical way to reconcile abortion as murder with it being justified in cases of rape or maternal danger. Therefore, I've come to accept the fact that abortion is not murder. However, we can argue that the sole act of participating in sex makes the individual give 100% consent into birthing the child. At the same time, we can allow abortion in cases of rape/coerced incest without any moral contradiction because in these cases no consent was given to the sex and therefore not the birth. Also, because consenting to do a job doesn't mean you consent to getting cancer from poor work conditions, we are logically justified in in saying that women do not consent to possible death during childbirth when consenting to sex.

I'm really, truly trying to find a way to reconcile moral/religious arguments against abortion with logic and legality.

MasTequila · #2 (**permalink**) 05-07-2008, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Kufnaka

I just decided to come back to this site after a several moth hiatus, and would like to bring up a new argument against abortion.

After several debates with my friends, it's become obvious that there's no logical way to reconcile abortion as murder with it being justified in cases of rape or maternal danger. Therefore, I've come to accept the fact that abortion is not murder. However, we can argue that the sole act of participating in sex makes the individual give 100% consent into birthing the child. At the same time, we can allow abortion in cases of rape/coerced incest without any moral contradiction because in these cases no consent was given to the sex and therefore not the birth. Also, because consenting to do a job doesn't mean you consent to getting cancer from poor work conditions, we are logically justified in in saying that women do not consent to possible death during childbirth when consenting to sex.

I'm really, truly trying to find a way to reconcile moral/religious arguments against abortion with logic and legality.

1st off, welcome back.

Abortion is murder, period, end of story. If I was about to die, but could save my life by killing you, would it be justified? If someone did something evil to me and I didn't like it, could I kill you to make myself feel better?

B L Zeebub · #3 (**permalink**) 05-07-2008, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by MasTequila

1st off, welcome back.

Abortion is murder, period, end of story. If I was about to die, but could save my life by killing you, would it be justified? If someone did something evil to me and I didn't like it, could I kill you to make myself feel better?

Abortion is not murder,period, end of story.If I was about to die and could save myself by killing you

Makedde · #4 (**permalink**) 05-07-2008, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Kufnaka

After several debates with my friends, it's become obvious that there's no logical way to reconcile abortion as murder with it being justified in cases of rape or maternal danger. Therefore, I've come to accept the fact that abortion is not murder. However, we can argue that the sole act of participating in sex makes the individual give 100% consent into birthing the child. At the same time, we can allow abortion in cases of rape/coerced incest without any moral contradiction because in these cases no consent was given to the sex and therefore not the birth. Also, because consenting to do a job doesn't mean you consent to getting cancer from poor work conditions, we are logically justified in in saying that women do not consent to possible death during childbirth when consenting to sex.

Just because a woman has sex, does not mean she consents to pregnancy and therefore, birth. Consent may be given to sex, but it is never given to pregnancy or birth unless the woman wants to go through these.

JMS · #5 (**permalink**) 05-07-2008, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Kufnaka

I just decided to come back to this site after a several moth hiatus, and would like to bring up a new argument against abortion.

After several debates with my friends, it's become obvious that there's no logical way to reconcile abortion as murder with it being justified in cases of rape or maternal danger. Therefore, I've come to accept the fact that abortion is not murder. However, we can argue that the sole act of participating in sex makes the individual give 100% consent into birthing the child. At the same time, we can allow abortion in cases of rape/coerced incest without any moral contradiction because in these cases no consent was given to the sex and therefore not the birth. Also, because consenting to do a job doesn't mean you consent to getting cancer from poor work conditions, we are logically justified in in saying that women do not consent to possible death during childbirth when consenting to sex.

I'm really, truly trying to find a way to reconcile moral/religious arguments against abortion with logic and legality.

engaging in sex doesnt mean youre willing to have a child. i have no information to back this, but my guess is over 90% of all sex is for recreation and not reproduction. for many individuals, it is 100% for recreation.

heres a way to come to terms with it. realize that there is no specific moment at which life begins, and that the designation of any point as the beginning of life is simply a matter of opinion. people can put different types or stages of life on different levels, but when the beginning of life is is something i doubt we will ever know.

if youre of christian faith, the bible isnt anti abortion.

Makedde · #6 (**permalink**) 05-07-2008, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by JMS

if youre of christian faith, the bible isnt anti abortion.

Then why are so many Christains anti abortion?

JMS · #7 (**permalink**) 05-07-2008, 11:16 PM

religion doesnt require reason.

Makedde · #8 (**permalink**) 05-07-2008, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by JMS

religion doesnt require reason.

Hmm...does this mean that Christians have no reason?

JMS · #9 (**permalink**) 05-07-2008, 11:19 PM

im not tryin to discuss the religion as a whole, just as it pertains to abortion.

Makedde · #10 (**permalink**) 05-07-2008, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by JMS

im not tryin to discuss the religion as a whole, just as it pertains to abortion.

Yes, yes, I do know that.

I would like for someone, who will likely argue the Bibles stance on abortion, to show me where it says anything about abortion - I know it says a lot about newborn babies, but nothing about abortions, if memory serves me correctly.

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