second reading of the human fertilisation and embrology bill.

B L Zeebub · #1 (**permalink**) 05-09-2008, 09:45 PM

Abortion is legal in the UK, and although we do have a few religious nutters, there is no interest within the public here to change that fact.

To all you prolifers from outside the UK who scream "Murder" that is not supported over here,so it has no relevance to the link I will try to post.

It is currently legal to abort up to 24 weeks.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/20...edicalresearch
It worked so if you read the link your comments should be about the facts in the article, not your beliefs!

Remember as a civilsed democracy, we will have a number of readings or debates over the prescribed time period of this bill in the house of commons, that will stimulate a full and frank discussion by our MP's, who represent the electorate, before a vote!

Makedde · #2 (**permalink**) 05-11-2008, 01:20 AM

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Survival rates for babies born before 24 weeks are extremely low and getting no better in spite of medical advances, according to an authoritative study which will be published today.

We know this already. I agree with the study.

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Next week, during the second reading of the human fertilisation and embryology bill, anti-abortion campaigners will attempt to persuade the House of Commons to lower the legal cut-off point for most abortions from 24 weeks to 20 weeks, arguing that medical science has rendered the later limit out of date.

No child has survived after being born at twenty weeks, so there is no reason the limit should be this time.

They will possibly argue the case of Amelia Taylor, the worlds earliest surviving premmie - who was born attwenty one weeks and six days. She is but one child, the only child to survive this early.

As I said, no child has survived being born at twenty weeks, and the laws should not be changed. Abortion should remain legal up to twenty six weeks for all women.

B L Zeebub · #3 (**permalink**) 05-12-2008, 04:57 AM

Todays update for you makhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/science/20...alresearch.law

Makedde · #4 (**permalink**) 05-12-2008, 06:38 PM

I wish I could understand things better, but I take it this is good news.

Chesby05 · #5 (**permalink**) 05-13-2008, 02:48 AM

I cannot possibly imagine the horror and torment of having a late-term abortion.

Just for those who don't know, late-term abortions involve actually giving birth to the baby, and having it die. It's not the same as a D&C, which is how they are done earlier.

If you actually have to give birth to a baby and let it die, it should not be allowed. The second you have to give birth, it's a baby, not a nonentity, and therefore should not be aborted.

Makedde · #6 (**permalink**) 05-13-2008, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Chesby05

I cannot possibly imagine the horror and torment of having a late-term abortion.

Just for those who don't know, late-term abortions involve actually giving birth to the baby, and having it die. It's not the same as a D&C, which is how they are done earlier.

If you actually have to give birth to a baby and let it die, it should not be allowed. The second you have to give birth, it's a baby, not a nonentity, and therefore should not be aborted.

But...it does depend on what stage the abortion is performed. If a baby must be born, then allowed to die, it is not an abortion, is it?
If the fetus is, say 22 weeks, and the intent is abort, what usually happens is that labor is induced, and the fetus is delivered naturally. The idea is that coming down the birth canal would be so traumatic, the fetus would die before it is born. Sadly, it doesn't always happen that way. Many fetus's have been born alive, then left to die. These are not abortions. If that baby is born alive, it is a person under the law, and should be saved.

Nowadays, I think the fetus is injected with potassium chloride, which stops the heart, so the woman delivers a stillborn baby.
The actual injection is the abortion, not the birth. I don't think the fetus is killed in the womb all the time, though...only in those cases when doctors just assume the fetus will die. They should know better than to assume, really.

Other abortions involve a D & E, which is even more rare, as this is a dilate and extract. These are done very rarely, and only when it is deemed best for the survival and safety of the mother.

B L Zeebub · #7 (**permalink**) 05-13-2008, 10:34 PM

In the uk when a late term Fetus dies in the womb, the mother is then induced,and gives birth, it then is up to the "parents" of this now dead child, to dispose of it according to the laws of the land.

Chesby05 · #8 (**permalink**) 05-13-2008, 10:43 PM

If you have to give birth to it - dead or alive - it should not be allowed. Once you are at the giving birth stage, you are too far along to be able to abort. I know this isn't the law, and it's only how I feel, but that feeling is that it should very strongly be the illegal to be able to abort at this stage.

B L Zeebub · #9 (**permalink**) 05-13-2008, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Chesby05

If you have to give birth to it - dead or alive - it should not be allowed. Once you are at the giving birth stage, you are too far along to be able to abort. I know this isn't the law, and it's only how I feel, but that feeling is that it should very strongly be the illegal to be able to abort at this stage.

I have no problem with your statement as a man,

I also as a man regard my comments on abortion surperfluous, it should in my opinion be the domain of the female only.

I have great admiration for the strength of a woman to survive pregnancy

Chesby05 · #10 (**permalink**) 05-14-2008, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by B L Zeebub

I have no problem with your statement as a man,

I also as a man regard my comments on abortion surperfluous, it should in my opinion be the domain of the female only.

I have great admiration for the strength of a woman to survive pregnancy

Lol! So do I - now that I know what it's like...

But I'm such a liar. I'm having the time of my life. Being pregnant rocks and I'm going to miss it. There's nothing like the way it feels to have your baby rolling around inside you and feeling little feets and elbows and knees through your skin.

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