Anti Abortion Commercials

Makedde · #1 (**permalink**) 06-15-2008, 08:32 PM

For those who are unaware, Australia is about to have a change of law. This law will decrimininalise abortion, meaning it will no longer be a crime to have one.
Since the late 60's, it has been illegal in my state to have an abortion. The only exceptions are for the preservation of the womans physical and mental health. Obviously, women have been getting around that law for many years, and this new law would mean that abortion is no longer illegal.

Anyway, this new law hasn't been passed yet, as the politians need to take a vote - but it will change. It has huge support from both sides, there is virtually no chance the law will stand as it is.

Now to the point: Last night I was watching television, and during a commercial break, there was a rather interesting ad that got me looking up from my book. There was a lot of music, and the words 'Where is the most dangerous place for an Australian child?' I assume the commercial was for a new reality show or something, and kept watching, thinking they were going to reveal the name of yet another Big Brother esque type program.
I was horrified when an image of what appeared to be a 20 week fetus came on screen, and next to it, the answer to the question 'In their mothers womb'.

This horrified me, not because it was an anti abortion ad, but because of what the message was. The commercial itself was midleading, and inaccurate.

For one, more than 90% of abortions in this country are performed before 12 weeks. Yet this commercial clearly showed an image of a rather developed fetus, which appeared to be of at least 20 weeks gestation. This sends the message that when women abort, the fetus looks like that. It doesn't.

Legally, the commercial was also incorrect, but I will not go into the legalities of it. I will just stick with the outrage I felt when they showed a developed fetus, and seemed to suggest that every fetus a woman aborts is as developed and human like as the one shown on screen.

While I feel anger and outrage over the fact that some people would go to such lengths to push their agenda, my anger soon disapeared when I realised something - whether these people like it or not, the law WILL change, and this commercial was simply a scare tactic, a desperate attempt to sway peoples emotions.

What was equally funny was the message at the end of the commercial: 'Vote no to abortion decriminalisation'. Umm...the public doesn't vote on this issue! The polititians do! And whether the law changes or not, women will always have access to abortion, legal or illegal. That will not change, so I was quite confused as to what this commercial meant.

White Fox · #2 (**permalink**) 06-15-2008, 10:06 PM

Emotional appeals need to not be listened to.

Logic should reign supreme in the public mind.

But no harm in a little free speech, really.

Makedde · #3 (**permalink**) 06-15-2008, 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by White Fox

Emotional appeals need to not be listened to.

Logic should reign supreme in the public mind.

But no harm in a little free speech, really.

I'm a believer of free speech, but I do believe there's a line. Free speech to me should not contain anything which is factually incorrect - anything else is fine.
Although I guess I'm wondering what free speech is actually left after you remove all the incorrect stuff...lol.

EDIT: Actually, I'll say misleading. Free speech should not contain anything which is misleading. That sounds better.

White Fox · #4 (**permalink**) 06-15-2008, 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Makedde

I'm a believer of free speech, but I do believe there's a line. Free speech to me should not contain anything which is factually incorrect - anything else is fine.
Although I guess I'm wondering what free speech is actually left after you remove all the incorrect stuff...lol.

EDIT: Actually, I'll say misleading. Free speech should not contain anything which is misleading. That sounds better.

Then who is left to say whether or not supporting a certain thing is misleading. I could come out in support of capitalism (as I'm often prone to do) by saying that everyone has a higher standard of living that way. Could someone say that I'm misleading someone by not saying that capitalism has many flaws? Taking away free speech is a really slippery slope.

Now if someone is lying in order to mislead the public, they'll get called on it. The end result is that the liars simply hurt their cause.

TheChief · #5 (**permalink**) 06-16-2008, 12:25 AM

Screw turning to parliment for help. Just rock up at an abortion clinic steal a fetus then replace there churches baby jesus with it...

Good for a laugh!

Makedde · #6 (**permalink**) 06-16-2008, 01:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by White Fox

Now if someone is lying in order to mislead the public, they'll get called on it. The end result is that the liars simply hurt their cause.

They'll be called on it - but I doubt they'll remove the ad itself.

Whaler17 · #7 (**permalink**) 06-16-2008, 07:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Makedde

For those who are unaware, Australia is about to have a change of law. This law will decrimininalise abortion, meaning it will no longer be a crime to have one.
Since the late 60's, it has been illegal in my state to have an abortion. The only exceptions are for the preservation of the womans physical and mental health. Obviously, women have been getting around that law for many years, and this new law would mean that abortion is no longer illegal.

Anyway, this new law hasn't been passed yet, as the politians need to take a vote - but it will change. It has huge support from both sides, there is virtually no chance the law will stand as it is.

Now to the point: Last night I was watching television, and during a commercial break, there was a rather interesting ad that got me looking up from my book. There was a lot of music, and the words 'Where is the most dangerous place for an Australian child?' I assume the commercial was for a new reality show or something, and kept watching, thinking they were going to reveal the name of yet another Big Brother esque type program.
I was horrified when an image of what appeared to be a 20 week fetus came on screen, and next to it, the answer to the question 'In their mothers womb'.

This horrified me, not because it was an anti abortion ad, but because of what the message was. The commercial itself was midleading, and inaccurate.

For one, more than 90% of abortions in this country are performed before 12 weeks. Yet this commercial clearly showed an image of a rather developed fetus, which appeared to be of at least 20 weeks gestation. This sends the message that when women abort, the fetus looks like that. It doesn't.

Legally, the commercial was also incorrect, but I will not go into the legalities of it. I will just stick with the outrage I felt when they showed a developed fetus, and seemed to suggest that every fetus a woman aborts is as developed and human like as the one shown on screen.

While I feel anger and outrage over the fact that some people would go to such lengths to push their agenda, my anger soon disapeared when I realised something - whether these people like it or not, the law WILL change, and this commercial was simply a scare tactic, a desperate attempt to sway peoples emotions.

What was equally funny was the message at the end of the commercial: 'Vote no to abortion decriminalisation'. Umm...the public doesn't vote on this issue! The polititians do! And whether the law changes or not, women will always have access to abortion, legal or illegal. That will not change, so I was quite confused as to what this commercial meant.

Abortion is the brutal tearing apart of a developing human being in its mother's womb. Anything that shows it as anything opther than that is misleading and unfactual!!!

RoboNerdOK · #8 (**permalink**) 06-16-2008, 09:09 AM

Of course, we have learned from the prohibitions on alcohol and drugs in the United States that making an act illegal is a reliable solution for solving the problem. It is far more logical to spend titanic amounts of money in morality enforcement, breaking up families by sending members to lengthy prison stays, and creating permanent underclasses as compared to efforts at education, treatment and prevention of the problem.</sarcasm>

If you're against abortion, then why are you not picketing for frank, accurate sex education for young people instead of this "abstinence-only" nonsense that has made the problem worse? How much money have you donated to adoption agencies? What about the March of Dimes or MDA to deal with the massive birth defects that will come from drug-deformed children? Are you willing to volunteer time to provide free child care for all those women who cannot afford to miss work?

Yeah, it's real easy to just make something illegal, pat yourself on the back and tell yourself that you're doing God's will. It's quite another to actually get your hands dirty and put your time and money where your mouth is, especially after your actions cause massive human suffering. But hey, let's just ignore those consequences, right? We just need to feel good about ourselves, and look "Christian" for our Bible-thumping friends.

White Fox · #9 (**permalink**) 06-16-2008, 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RoboNerdOK

Of course, we have learned from the prohibitions on alcohol and drugs in the United States that making an act illegal is a reliable solution for solving the problem. It is far more logical to spend titanic amounts of money in morality enforcement, breaking up families by sending members to lengthy prison stays, and creating permanent underclasses as compared to efforts at education, treatment and prevention of the problem.</sarcasm>

If you're against abortion, then why are you not picketing for frank, accurate sex education for young people instead of this "abstinence-only" nonsense that has made the problem worse? How much money have you donated to adoption agencies? What about the March of Dimes or MDA to deal with the massive birth defects that will come from drug-deformed children? Are you willing to volunteer time to provide free child care for all those women who cannot afford to miss work?

Yeah, it's real easy to just make something illegal, pat yourself on the back and tell yourself that you're doing God's will. It's quite another to actually get your hands dirty and put your time and money where your mouth is, especially after your actions cause massive human suffering. But hey, let's just ignore those consequences, right? We just need to feel good about ourselves, and look "Christian" for our Bible-thumping friends.

Abortion is not a morality question, or a Christian question, as separation of church and state is important to our nation's functioning. The question is one of natural rights, those that pertain to life, liberty, and property. No human being can have its life legally taken away by another human being. That is the foundation of law. If it was a waste of time to spend titanic amounts of money by locking up murderers, then why bother of course.

amh73 · #10 (**permalink**) 06-16-2008, 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Makedde

For those who are unaware, Australia is about to have a change of law. This law will decrimininalise abortion, meaning it will no longer be a crime to have one.
Since the late 60's, it has been illegal in my state to have an abortion. The only exceptions are for the preservation of the womans physical and mental health. Obviously, women have been getting around that law for many years, and this new law would mean that abortion is no longer illegal.

Anyway, this new law hasn't been passed yet, as the politians need to take a vote - but it will change. It has huge support from both sides, there is virtually no chance the law will stand as it is.

Now to the point: Last night I was watching television, and during a commercial break, there was a rather interesting ad that got me looking up from my book. There was a lot of music, and the words 'Where is the most dangerous place for an Australian child?' I assume the commercial was for a new reality show or something, and kept watching, thinking they were going to reveal the name of yet another Big Brother esque type program.
I was horrified when an image of what appeared to be a 20 week fetus came on screen, and next to it, the answer to the question 'In their mothers womb'.

This horrified me, not because it was an anti abortion ad, but because of what the message was. The commercial itself was midleading, and inaccurate.

For one, more than 90% of abortions in this country are performed before 12 weeks. Yet this commercial clearly showed an image of a rather developed fetus, which appeared to be of at least 20 weeks gestation. This sends the message that when women abort, the fetus looks like that. It doesn't.

Legally, the commercial was also incorrect, but I will not go into the legalities of it. I will just stick with the outrage I felt when they showed a developed fetus, and seemed to suggest that every fetus a woman aborts is as developed and human like as the one shown on screen.

While I feel anger and outrage over the fact that some people would go to such lengths to push their agenda, my anger soon disapeared when I realised something - whether these people like it or not, the law WILL change, and this commercial was simply a scare tactic, a desperate attempt to sway peoples emotions.

What was equally funny was the message at the end of the commercial: 'Vote no to abortion decriminalisation'. Umm...the public doesn't vote on this issue! The polititians do! And whether the law changes or not, women will always have access to abortion, legal or illegal. That will not change, so I was quite confused as to what this commercial meant.

I never agreed with abortion at all but I use to at least understand the pre-12 week viewpoint. That is until my wife became pregnant with my little girl. Her pregnancy was detected within 2 weeks of conception, but the doctor though she was 3 to 4 weeks along. When we went all that could be seen was really the egg sack. A week later we went back and there was no detectable growth. The doctor told us not to panic yet but if their wasn;t any growth detectable in the next week it would be bad news. We waited a week and there wasn't just growth, but a heartbeat. I have never understood abortion at all since. To have stopped that little heart from beating would have been murder in the first degree!!! To hear pro-choice people talking on t.v. while I watch my precious 2 year old, Chloe running about makes me sick. Abortion should not only be illegal, but should be prosecuted as premeditated murder.

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