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Old 07-16-2008, 12:52 AM
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To find where I stand on abortion. There's like, two little men in my head, debating this. One says, fetuses have a future, so abortion is hardly diffrent to robbing someone already alive of their future (murder), while the other says, it's not our right to force someone to go through several hours of one of the most painfull things a person can do, if they don't want to.

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To find where I stand on abortion. There's like, two little men in my head, debating this. One says, fetuses have a future, so abortion is hardly diffrent to robbing someone already alive of their future (murder), while the other says, it's not our right to force someone to go through several hours of one of the most painfull things a person can do, if they don't want to.

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Nobody should ever make you decided where you stand on this. It's an issue only you can decide where you stand.

I recommend you read up on the issue - from both sides, and weigh up your pros and cons and decide what you think is best. I can't tell you what you should think, and nor should anyone else. It's up to you.
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Old 07-16-2008, 12:59 AM
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The choice to have an abortion is and individuals choice. Each one that has the procedure has to live with their actions. I support it. I don't know that if i was in that position to have to exercise my choice if i could. I am just happy that that option is open to me.
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Old 07-16-2008, 01:02 AM
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The choice to have an abortion is and individuals choice. Each one that has the procedure has to live with their actions. I support it. I don't know that if i was in that position to have to exercise my choice if i could. I am just happy that that option is open to me.
Yep. I don't know if I could have an abortion myself, but like you, I am happy that I have that option, if I needed it.
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To find where I stand on abortion. There's like, two little men in my head, debating this. One says, fetuses have a future, so abortion is hardly diffrent to robbing someone already alive of their future (murder), while the other says, it's not our right to force someone to go through several hours of one of the most painfull things a person can do, if they don't want to.

Help me decide.
There's actually a spectrum of choices. Not just yes/no.

First I guess decide how you feel about a mother killing off a baby after it's been born.

Then think about how you feel about killing a baby that's far enough along that it could be born right then as a premie via C section.

Think if there are obvious cases to you. Such as rape, incest, or horrible medical conditions.

Since you specifically mentioned it consider if you feel like someone being in pain justifies murduring someone else.

Next consider how much the realpolitik angle of it matters to you. Human life has value but not in dollars. The mother will be better off without the baby. And society as a whole too, more likely than not. Though weigh this against how you might feel about killing off, say, homeless people for the same reasons.

For arguments about it not being able to live on its own yet, consider how you'd feel about other such situations. Such as letting a born baby starve, or an elderly person who can't take care ofthemselves.

For some people a central argument is if the fetus consititutes life. But I think ususally that's just the realpolitik talking. But there is something to be said for realpolitik
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Then think about how you feel about killing a baby that's far enough along that it could be born right then as a premie via C section.
Don't forget first trimester abortions - many people feel differently about these abortions than they do about 'viability' abortions.
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There's also the plan B stuff. It can possibly stop the egg and sperm from getting together. Or prevent the combination from attaching to the uturus if they do.

There are also abortion pills I think that basically cause an early miscarriage.
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There's also the plan B stuff. It can possibly stop the egg and sperm from getting together. Or prevent the combination from attaching to the uturus if they do.

There are also abortion pills I think that basically cause an early miscarriage.
Such as RU486? I think this causes a very early abortion - in the first week or two...I may be wrong on that, though.
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There's actually a spectrum of choices. Not just yes/no.

First I guess decide how you feel about a mother killing off a baby after it's been born.

Then think about how you feel about killing a baby that's far enough along that it could be born right then as a premie via C section.

Think if there are obvious cases to you. Such as rape, incest, or horrible medical conditions.

Since you specifically mentioned it consider if you feel like someone being in pain justifies murduring someone else.

Next consider how much the realpolitik angle of it matters to you. Human life has value but not in dollars. The mother will be better off without the baby. And society as a whole too, more likely than not. Though weigh this against how you might feel about killing off, say, homeless people for the same reasons.

For arguments about it not being able to live on its own yet, consider how you'd feel about other such situations. Such as letting a born baby starve, or an elderly person who can't take care ofthemselves.

For some people a central argument is if the fetus consititutes life. But I think ususally that's just the realpolitik talking. But there is something to be said for realpolitik
People have varied views of what constitues life, even though we may not agree. What i believe is perxonal to me. I just wouldn't want to put my belef on anyone else. That's why we still have the right to choose.
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To find where I stand on abortion. There's like, two little men in my head, debating this. One says, fetuses have a future, so abortion is hardly diffrent to robbing someone already alive of their future (murder), while the other says, it's not our right to force someone to go through several hours of one of the most painfull things a person can do, if they don't want to.

Help me decide.
I all of my years of political awareness and activism, only one issue has totally stumped me, and that's abortion. I too still can't decide where I stand on it, and I have since given up.
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