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Hi,

I am a current high school senior that is taking a college prep Government class this summer. We have discussed a lot of issues including the Supreme Court class Roe v. Wade.

The class is made up of liberals and there is only a few conservatives. I personally am socially liberal but business wise I am conservative.

We've also discussed Plessy v. Ferguson, another famous Supreme Court case. Here is why I do not see abortion ever being illegal. Plessy v. Ferguson was decided in 1897 that made segregation legal. Many prominent black attorneys up until 1950 tried to have the law overturned and it was not until Thurgood Marshall and some really unforeseen events that it was overturned. I know, two different issues but each time it was brought to the Supreme Court they just stated "Plessy v. Ferguson". I believe that if someone even tried to bring the abortion issue back to the Supreme Court they would state "Row v. Wade" and not even consider overturning the ruling.

Now, here is why I do not think abortion should be illegal. Let me start off by saying that if I got a woman pregnant I probably would ask her not to have an abortion but I understand that ultimately it is her decision. There are a lot of people who believe abortion is not right; however, I do not think this justifies making it unavailable. People should be able to make there own decisions on what they want to do. Sure, you can have your opinion but that does not mean that it should be banned for everyone. It should not be unavailable.

One thing I also want to say is I realize Jon McCain in pro life. I respect Jon McCain very much and I have read his story in Vietnam and appreciate what he did for our country during that time but I truly believe that he is pro life only publicly. In a private situation I believe he would be pro-choice.

These are my opinions and I know some people maybe flaming after reading this post but please, post your views because I would love to read them.

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Now, here is why I do not think abortion should be illegal. Let me start off by saying that if I got a woman pregnant I probably would ask her not to have an abortion but I understand that ultimately it is her decision. There are a lot of people who believe abortion is not right; however, I do not think this justifies making it unavailable. People should be able to make there own decisions on what they want to do. Sure, you can have your opinion but that does not mean that it should be banned for everyone. It should not be unavailable.
I agree with you on this! Thanks for taking the time to tell us your views!
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Hi,

I am a current high school senior that is taking a college prep Government class this summer. We have discussed a lot of issues including the Supreme Court class Roe v. Wade.

The class is made up of liberals and there is only a few conservatives. I personally am socially liberal but business wise I am conservative.

We've also discussed Plessy v. Ferguson, another famous Supreme Court case. Here is why I do not see abortion ever being illegal. Plessy v. Ferguson was decided in 1897 that made segregation legal. Many prominent black attorneys up until 1950 tried to have the law overturned and it was not until Thurgood Marshall and some really unforeseen events that it was overturned. I know, two different issues but each time it was brought to the Supreme Court they just stated "Plessy v. Ferguson". I believe that if someone even tried to bring the abortion issue back to the Supreme Court they would state "Row v. Wade" and not even consider overturning the ruling.

Now, here is why I do not think abortion should be illegal. Let me start off by saying that if I got a woman pregnant I probably would ask her not to have an abortion but I understand that ultimately it is her decision. There are a lot of people who believe abortion is not right; however, I do not think this justifies making it unavailable. People should be able to make there own decisions on what they want to do. Sure, you can have your opinion but that does not mean that it should be banned for everyone. It should not be unavailable.

One thing I also want to say is I realize Jon McCain in pro life. I respect Jon McCain very much and I have read his story in Vietnam and appreciate what he did for our country during that time but I truly believe that he is pro life only publicly. In a private situation I believe he would be pro-choice.

These are my opinions and I know some people maybe flaming after reading this post but please, post your views because I would love to read them.

Thanks
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Hi,

I am a current high school senior that is taking a college prep Government class this summer. We have discussed a lot of issues including the Supreme Court class Roe v. Wade.

The class is made up of liberals and there is only a few conservatives. I personally am socially liberal but business wise I am conservative.

We've also discussed Plessy v. Ferguson, another famous Supreme Court case. Here is why I do not see abortion ever being illegal. Plessy v. Ferguson was decided in 1897 that made segregation legal. Many prominent black attorneys up until 1950 tried to have the law overturned and it was not until Thurgood Marshall and some really unforeseen events that it was overturned. I know, two different issues but each time it was brought to the Supreme Court they just stated "Plessy v. Ferguson". I believe that if someone even tried to bring the abortion issue back to the Supreme Court they would state "Row v. Wade" and not even consider overturning the ruling.

Now, here is why I do not think abortion should be illegal. Let me start off by saying that if I got a woman pregnant I probably would ask her not to have an abortion but I understand that ultimately it is her decision. There are a lot of people who believe abortion is not right; however, I do not think this justifies making it unavailable. People should be able to make there own decisions on what they want to do. Sure, you can have your opinion but that does not mean that it should be banned for everyone. It should not be unavailable.

One thing I also want to say is I realize Jon McCain in pro life. I respect Jon McCain very much and I have read his story in Vietnam and appreciate what he did for our country during that time but I truly believe that he is pro life only publicly. In a private situation I believe he would be pro-choice.

These are my opinions and I know some people maybe flaming after reading this post but please, post your views because I would love to read them.

Thanks

I respect your opinion but disagree with with you. All human life conceived should be given the chance to live reguardless of the circumstances of the parents. It comes down to personal responsibility, if you can't or don't want to care for a child then don't put yourself in a circumstance where the possible concequences will be a child. Education and responsibility are the key.
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I respect your opinion but disagree with with you. All human life conceived should be given the chance to live reguardless of the circumstances of the parents. It comes down to personal responsibility, if you can't or don't want to care for a child then don't put yourself in a circumstance where the possible concequences will be a child. Education and responsibility are the key.
Welcome Cajun, you've made some excellent posts with good points, although I hold the opposite view. I put the personal responsibility on the woman in the form of "her choice". I agree that lots of education and understanding the responsibilities are key to reducing abortions.

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You are correct about the responsibility of choice but that must also include being responsible for the concequences of their actions as well.

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I respect your opinion but disagree with with you. All human life conceived should be given the chance to live reguardless of the circumstances of the parents. It comes down to personal responsibility, if you can't or don't want to care for a child then don't put yourself in a circumstance where the possible concequences will be a child. Education and responsibility are the key.
I find the whole "do not put yourself in this situation" to be hypocritical. People do use responsible methods like birth control and condoms, but they are not always 100% full-proof. I believe that if you are unwilling, incapable or mentally unprepared to raise a child, then you should not bring a child into this world that will not get the best care possible.

You hear on the news all the time about parents either hiding the fact that their daughter is 'missing' for months, or that they leave their baby in a car with the windows rolled up on a hot summer day. What we do not need is more scandals of horrible parents all over the news.

A woman has the ultimate choice in the matter. Her body, her decision. The man can help her to decide, of course. But why would the land of the free want to become a hypocrite over something so personal?
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I find the whole "do not put yourself in this situation" to be hypocritical. People do use responsible methods like birth control and condoms, but they are not always 100% full-proof. I believe that if you are unwilling, incapable or mentally unprepared to raise a child, then you should not bring a child into this world that will not get the best care possible.
It's not hypocritical, it's personal responsibility for one's actions. People should be prepared for all possible outcomes, not just the ones they desire. If they are as you say unwilling, incapable or mentally unprepared to raise a child then don't engage in an act where the possible outcome is a child. If people want to have sex and be 100% sure of not having a child the they should get sterilized. I don't believe that abortion should be an option.
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You hear on the news all the time about parents either hiding the fact that their daughter is 'missing' for months, or that they leave their baby in a car with the windows rolled up on a hot summer day. What we do not need is more scandals of horrible parents all over the news.
These are the consequences that should be stressed to children who want to or are believe to be sexually active. Tell them the truth about the consequences of sex, it can lead to a child. Why should we not hold our children accountable for their actions as well as demanding the same from ourselves?

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A woman has the ultimate choice in the matter. Her body, her decision. The man can help her to decide, of course. But why would the land of the free want to become a hypocrite over something so personal?
I agree that a woman's body is her own and she can choose to do what ever she wants to do with it without causing harm to others, but as soon as she becomes pregnant she is now responsible for another life that is not her own. In the same way that parents are responsible for the children's welfare after they are born they are also responsible for their welfare before they are born. In the land of the free you are not free to harm someone else because they are a nuisance. The same should hold true for the unborn.
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I respect your opinion but disagree with with you. All human life conceived should be given the chance to live reguardless of the circumstances of the parents. It comes down to personal responsibility, if you can't or don't want to care for a child then don't put yourself in a circumstance where the possible concequences will be a child. Education and responsibility are the key.
Education, as if safe sex education, is important. There is no reason why a woman should be punished with a baby simply for having sex.
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Education, as if safe sex education, is important. There is no reason why a woman should be punished with a baby simply for having sex.
There is no reason a fetus should be punished for........

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what did the fetus do again?
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