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Old 09-14-2004, 12:20 PM
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Default Actually the procedure does exist

It may have a technically different name, but PBA is what it's known as. By the way, exact medical terminology is rarely used to describe a procedure. I had knee surgery as far as my family is concered, not a lateral release. Or maybe if you had root canal you'd tell everyone you were having Endodontic Treatment.
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Partial Birth abortion is a murderous act. And the ONLY reason the woman and her doctor aren't charged with murder is because they have this legal loophole that enables them to kill the baby on the way down the birth canal.....before it has a chance to take it's first breath.....so they can say it was born dead. Well....DUH, it was born dead: YOU KILLED IT!
..procedure you keep mis-representing...

There is a separate forum to discuss this issue at greater length...
Well, pardon me....but Beagles post said this....."brought a suit last year to try to outlaw all abortions due to "emotional harm". The word "ALL" means just that.
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Old 09-14-2004, 12:32 PM
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Partial Birth abortion is a murderous act. And the ONLY reason the woman and her doctor aren't charged with murder is because they have this legal loophole that enables them to kill the baby on the way down the birth canal.....before it has a chance to take it's first breath.....so they can say it was born dead. Well....DUH, it was born dead: YOU KILLED IT!
Roe vs Wade is not about partial birth abortions - that's a seperate issue.

And although I believe in a womens right to choose and that partial birth abortions should be limited to medical reasons for having one, how do you feel about those women who discover that at 7 months the baby is poisoning the womens system and will kill her if not aborted? Is that murder?(Happened to a friend of mine 2 years ago)
Baloney. Never heard of it. Besides....even IF such a condition exists, nothing says you must stick scissors in the back of the baby's head on the way down and kill it, does it? That's certainly NOT necessary to save a woman's life. Lots of babies live when born at 7 months.
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And although I believe in a womens right to choose and that partial birth abortions should be limited to medical reasons for having one, how do you feel about those women who discover that at 7 months the baby is poisoning the womens system and will kill her if not aborted? Is that murder?(Happened to a friend of mine 2 years ago)
Baloney. Never heard of it. Besides....even IF such a condition exists, nothing says you must stick scissors in the back of the baby's head on the way down and kill it, does it? That's certainly NOT necessary to save a woman's life. Lots of babies live when born at 7 months.
There is a condition that fits this situation. I believe that it arises when the baby has a positive RH factor in their blood and the mother is RH negative.
However, it happens only with subsequent pregnancies and is preventable. Also, if the pregnancy lasted 7 months, there is no reason why there could not be an attempt to have a live birth.
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And although I believe in a womens right to choose and that partial birth abortions should be limited to medical reasons for having one, how do you feel about those women who discover that at 7 months the baby is poisoning the womens system and will kill her if not aborted? Is that murder?(Happened to a friend of mine 2 years ago)
Baloney. Never heard of it. Besides....even IF such a condition exists, nothing says you must stick scissors in the back of the baby's head on the way down and kill it, does it? That's certainly NOT necessary to save a woman's life. Lots of babies live when born at 7 months.
There is a condition that fits this situation. I believe that it arises when the baby has a positive RH factor in their blood and the mother is RH negative.
However, it happens only with subsequent pregnancies and is preventable. Also, if the pregnancy lasted 7 months, there is no reason why there could not be an attempt to have a live birth.
Exactly. And that was my point. You don't have to kill the baby. You try to save the baby, for heaven's sakes. And at 7 months it's a perfectly viable baby.

BTW, I have the RH negative and my husband was RH positive. You don't have to kill the baby.
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And although I believe in a womens right to choose and that partial birth abortions should be limited to medical reasons for having one, how do you feel about those women who discover that at 7 months the baby is poisoning the womens system and will kill her if not aborted? Is that murder?(Happened to a friend of mine 2 years ago)
Baloney. Never heard of it. Besides....even IF such a condition exists, nothing says you must stick scissors in the back of the baby's head on the way down and kill it, does it? That's certainly NOT necessary to save a woman's life. Lots of babies live when born at 7 months.
There is a condition that fits this situation. I believe that it arises when the baby has a positive RH factor in their blood and the mother is RH negative.
However, it happens only with subsequent pregnancies and is preventable. Also, if the pregnancy lasted 7 months, there is no reason why there could not be an attempt to have a live birth.
Fair enough - I see your point. In my friends case, the baby was so under developed at 7 months that the baby died, but may have lived if she had waited. The problem was the baby was poisoning her system and she could have died as well.

But now that I see your description, I can see that you do not consider that an abortion, but rather an unfortunate circumstance.

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Really? Then what is the umbilical chord attached to?
The Mother. The Fetus's body is not the property of the Mother. She is responsible for it's well being just as she would be for it after it is born.

It is no different IMO from one Siamese Twin killing the other. Even though it is connected to his body, he has no right to kill it.
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Now millions of babies can continue to die every year!
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Now millions of babies can continue to die every year!
..seeing as how you're so concerned about them?
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I appreciate people concerns on the ramifications of abortions - but have any of you who are against a woman's right to choose, made any effort to try and prevent abortions? For example, donated time or money to the "Stop violence against women" campaign, encouraged your local Senator, Governor to expand programs that assist rape victims or pubescent girls who have been victims of incest? Written your local newspapers vocalizing the need to increase to number of battered womans shelters?

Just wondering, because I hear a lot of talk and not much action - and as someone who works closely with the Stop Violence against women campaign I can tell you - the above reasons are a big part of the problem.
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