Just out of curiosity, as you are an atheist - where do you draw your beliefs from as your argument is generally associated with religious doctrines?

(FYI - I am not being facetious, I am genuinely curious)

And I am only 22 and not yet married, though when I am married I plan to adopt at least one child.

I also work at a facility with troubled and orphaned kids (it really is an orphanage in many ways, but no one likes using that word anymore) so I care about kids a great deal.

statistically, the number of adoptions that are done because of rape or for "the mother's help" are extremely small. Most women who have abortions do so not because they cannot conceive, but because they would rather not have a child. The kids could be given up for adoption, but since the "choice" is always there, and it is a lot easier, many women will just have their unborn babies killed instead.

First of all, due to world foreign policies and social programs being gutted in certain nations, INCLUDING OURS, babies die by the tens of thousands. If our government was really concerned with dying babies, they would do something about worldwide hunger and thousands of babies dying in carpet bombings of hospitals, schools, and civillian centers. Of course we do support some causes, but not NEARLY the amount that we should. Our military budget is ridiculous.

Plus Hans, I don't know if you know this or not, but the world is over populated by a lot. I would rather help a baby that is already alive than tell a woman she has to have a baby she doesnt want, or cant support financially. By banning abortion you would be causing more problems.


The whole abortion issue is just something that the right wing implements to grab attention away from other more important issues, and to get the fundamentalists and christians and pro-life people to vote for them.
Same with gay marriage. Hell, Dick CHeney doesnt even agree with a constitutional amendment banning it.

Abortion and gay marriage are distractions from the real issues, pure and simple.

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Does anyone even stop and look at things from a different train of thought.
By banning abortion, we are contributing to the overpopulation of the world. Why? Because people are stupid. So stupid in fact, that they needlessly make babies. And more babies. And more babies. And so on...

Therefore, we need not accelerate the process. If I had to choose between killing unborn children and subjecting the world to mass starvation, I'd kill the children. They don't suffer. They don't feel pain. Heck, they're hardly even alive. They have few memories, little relavent life experiences that are lost.

It's not a nice decision. And obviously it doesn't sound good. But that's the choice we make. Overpopulation may not effect us in our lifetimes, so why should we care? Well, like right-wingers like to say of themselves, we're protecting the future.

By needlessly bringing children into the world, we're not saving the future. That's a myth. We're just subjecting future generations to more trouble.

I know its hard for many of you to think about 35 years ago before abortion was legal, but there was a time when people had to think first and than act.
The fear of an unplanned pregnancy was enough to keep many in line and aids wasn't to come on the scene for another 15 years. Along with legal abortion came increased promiscuity, and then AIDS. Sex without consequence was only fleeting and we are back to square one. Most
responsible people practice safe sex or abstinence, which, if would of been practiced in the sixties, would have eliminated the need for most abortions anyway.

I know its hard for many of you to think about 35 years ago before abortion was legal, but there was a time when people had to think first and than act.
The fear of an unplanned pregnancy was enough to keep many in line and aids wasn't to come on the scene for another 15 years. Along with legal abortion came increased promiscuity, and then AIDS. Sex without consequence was only fleeting and we are back to square one. Most
responsible people practice safe sex or abstinence, which, if would of been practiced in the sixties, would have eliminated the need for most abortions anyway.

In all seriousness, forget that i support President Bush for the duration of this post. This addresses a major problem i see with the world....

How many of the posters here(some very intelligent people here btw..) have more than 2 children? more than 1? any children?

How many children does the average muslim terrorist have? how many 3rd world families have more than 3 children? How many inner-city welfare families have more than 3?

Think about those questions.... The intelligent, hard working people who built this country and those Europeans who made the rest of the western world are going to be pushed out by a population explosion from the 3rd and Islamic world. It is actually the Islamic worlds stated intention to do so....

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So we go from abortion, to our involvement in Iraq and other foreign policy. Did I miss something?

Yes, in some countries the world is overpopulated (like China for instance). But did you know that most countries in Europe are actually facing a DECLINE in population? Right now ours remains steady, but only because of immigration.

Besides, I don't that population should have anything to do with killing unborn children. If it really is that big of an issue, we should just let the mothers have their children, then kill them and prepare them as food for starving people around the world, it is much more efficient that way, right?

It is only an issue to those it is important to. You may not agree that is an issue, but many people see beyond abortion simply as a "choice". We have only just begun to see the ramifications of large scale abortion in our country, and from what I can see of our country right now, I see a declining birth rate, a dissintegration of family (more single parent homes than ever before) a higher divorce rate, and things such as abortion and gay marriage don't help any of these issues.

Wow, I see at least SOMEONE here who sees the seriousness of this issue!