Sinanju,
I have 4 kids from 3 pregnancies (I'm efficient). With 4 kids, I am definitely in the minority among educated people. All were planned.
Your post leads me to a peculiar contradiction. Birth control is certainly more widely used among educated people. This would tend to cause a reverse "natural selection" in regards to intelligence, wouldn't it? The extreme advances in medical technology would tend to reverse "natural selection" in regards to physical capability. But, longevity is definitely going up. And, many indicators would lead to the belief that each generation is "smarter" than their parents generation.

That said. I just wanted you to know that I am doing my part to populate the western world.

__________________
Order without liberty and liberty without order are equally destructive. - Theodore Roosevelt

Keep up the good work 12th! (i was looking for the superscript key for that "th" but i couldn't find it on my selectra...)

It is a serious problem. America was able to change the course of the world in the 40s(with allied help..) mainly because we had ample meat for the grinder...

Now we are swiftly appraoching NOT having enough AMERICANS to be a majority in our own elections. At the rate of birth in 3rd world countries combined with the 2 largest open borders in the world multiplied by our misguided concept of giving any and everyone who asks citizenship....

we will be a minority in our own country in our lifetimes. Then we can see how swiftly our precious liberties are voted away by South/Central American criminals and Islmaic fascists....

And free and easy methods of birth control combined with the literal disdain shown to traditional marriage by Hollywood and liberal media sources significantly contribute to this...

Think how many children your grandparents had... that is why America is the world power we are now.. is your freedom of "choice" worth the greatest social experiment in history turning into a glorifed third world country? It is a question we must all ask ourselves...

__________________
I was banned from godlike productions... and loved it.

No one should be allowed to kill cancer cells either.

If it is IN her body and it's survival is dependant on her, it is her body.

Broken record time: If you can't get pregnant and are not the doctor, or the other half of the tango that created the pregnancy, you're opinion is irrelevant. Period.

__________________
“Been living here in galus for a life too long" - Matisyahu

No question there's a choice but you also have to take into consideration the psychological element. I can say with certainty that the majority of women who choose to have an abortion do so as their last resort. If you could imagine, a women who has been raped is considerably traumatized from that experience, and is almost suicidal upon discovering that they're pregnant from that rape. Or, worse yet (and I have come across women who have experienced this) could you imagine a 14-15 year old girl who learns that she is pregnant as a result of an incestual rape? It is something I wish no one has to experience.

I do agree that women should never use abortion as a form of birth control, but I think as a society, we should recognize that under extreme circumstances (such as the aforementioned ones) abortions are justified.

__________________
Truth is by nature self-evident, as soon as you remove the cobwebs of ignorance that surround it, it shines clear. Gandhi

We're in trouble if people start making that comparison. Let's add, that a fetus is NOT dependent on her body if it is developed enough. So using your own words, if it is not dependent on her body and can live on its own (i.e. certain stages of PBA) then it is not her body.

that's the only way - but just saying, "no" is not the answer.

birth control is.

and killing others (Randolph) is hypocritical.

----------------------

"My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building." Ann Coulter, American Republican Patriot commenting on another American republican Patriot

No, I’m not equating cancer cells with a baby. It was my intent to illustrate the nonsense of that original statement.


I agree with that. PBA should only be an absolute last resort when the mother’s health is in danger. Other than that, it is not acceptable.

__________________
“Been living here in galus for a life too long" - Matisyahu

I know what you mean. I consider myself pretty moderate and usually try to look at all sides of an argument but that discovery was definitely shocking and horrifying.

__________________
I am a Moderate Agnostic: No better place to be than the middle

Help fight against cancer
https://www.cancer.org/asp/donate/do...ToScreen=don_1

Do you have any proof to substantiate that statement...or is it just a biased opinion that you happen to hold in the face of overwhelming scientific evidence to the contrary?

I can offer up enough hard science to prove that your opinion is wrong...what evidence do you have to demonstrate that the hard science is wrong?

__________________
It may be that your sole purpose in life is to serve as a warning to others.

I say we kill the stupid parents who needlessly make babies. And more babies. And more babies. And so on ...