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The Empty Cradle Will Rock
How abortion is costing the Democrats voters--literally.

BY LARRY L. EASTLAND
Monday, June 28, 2004 12:01 a.m. EDT

More than 40 million legal abortions have been performed and documented in the 30 years since the U.S. Supreme Court declared abortion legal. The debate remains focused on the legality and morality of abortion. What's largely ignored is a factual analysis of the political consequences of 40 million abortions. Consider:

• There were 12,274,368 in the Voting Age Population of 205,815,000 missing from the 2000 presidential election, because of abortions from 1973-82.

• In this year's election, there will be 18,336,576 in the Voting Age Population missing because of abortions between 1972 and 1986.

• In the 2008 election, 24,408,960 in the Voting Age Population will be missing because of abortions between 1973-90.

These numbers will not change. They are based on individual choices made--aggregated nationally--as long as 30 years ago. Look inside these numbers at where the political impact is felt most. Do Democrats realize that millions of Missing Voters--due to the abortion policies they advocate--gave George W. Bush the margin of victory in 2000?

The number of abortions accumulate in size and political impact as the years roll along. Like an avalanche that picks up speed, mass, and power as it thunders down a mountain, the number of Missing Voters from abortion changes the landscape of politics. The absence of the missing voters may not be noticed, but that doesn't mean its political impact disappears. As seen during a famine, what no longer exists becomes as relevant as what does.

Let's begin with the obvious: Children born in any given year arrive at voting age in 18 years; conversely, children not born in a given year are "Missing Voters" 18 years later. Permanently so, unless someone discovers a way to give birth to a teenager in a nine-month gestation period. This table gives the number of Missing Voters from abortion and election years affected:

The rest of the article can be found HERE...

I found this to be very interesting and gives me pause to wonder if this, in part, may be responsible for the apparant swing to the right that the nation has been experiencing for the past decade or so.

One might also wonder if the sharp division that is visible in the political landscape may be due to the fact that a tipping point has been reached, or is very near to being reached...
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Numbers coudln't possibly be correct in any way you look at it. If the world were straight black and white MAYBE they could be correct. Then factor in things like SIDS, Murder, Accidents, things of this nature but to say that if abortion would be legal all of those would be alive and voting is just ignorant.
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The nation is not experiencing a swing to the right, it's just that the left can't think of anything better to do than protest.
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So..........are we saying that we should force people to have children that they don't want for various reasons (threatens the life of the mother, the child is seriously ill or handicapped, or the parents simply can't handle it financially) as opposed to making them have those children and grabbing a few thousand votes?

Whats to say they will all become Democrats? Whats to say they will even vote? There are too many other factors involved in Demorcatic defeat other than abortion.

IMHO Kerry, although he would make a better president than Bush, is not the right man for leadership contention. Howard is a cliched 'man of the people' that people feel they can associate more with. That is a good part of Bush's appeal - his stupidity makes him seem more grass roots than the intellectual Kerry. Considering Howard was not born into fabulous wealth, unlike Bush, he would have that 'genuine' grass roots factor. This would surely swing the vote towards the Democrats. We can also recall how very close the last election was, and how Gore would have won if there was less ballot fixing; particulary regarding the use of 'faulty' electronic voting machines and the removal of voters from the electoral roll in Florida.

By the way, I am pro-choice. Abortion is a very serious issue, and for most women it is not a lifestyle choice, it is something they have to do because the circumstances demand it.
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Numbers coudln't possibly be correct in any way you look at it. If the world were straight black and white MAYBE they could be correct. Then factor in things like SIDS, Murder, Accidents, things of this nature but to say that if abortion would be legal all of those would be alive and voting is just ignorant.
I believe that you miss the larger (and less obvious) point...this isn't interesting in the sense that all, or even some, of those missing voters would be voting for democrats, republicans, or third party candidates..that, after all, is not really how our president is elected. The effect on the electoral college is where this gets interesting. In reality, it doesn't matter whether a single one of them ever would have voted...their simple existence has an effect on the electoral system and the distribution of electoral votes...and the fact that the conservative population is increasing at a faster rate than the liberal population is undeniable and the eventual, inevetable result is hard to deny.

And if it makes you feel better, take that group and factor in SIDS, murder, accidents, etc and the percentages remain the same...those figures would not change the effect in any appreciable way, only the gross numbers would be altered..
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Numbers coudln't possibly be correct in any way you look at it. If the world were straight black and white MAYBE they could be correct. Then factor in things like SIDS, Murder, Accidents, things of this nature but to say that if abortion would be legal all of those would be alive and voting is just ignorant.
I believe that you miss the larger (and less obvious) point...this isn't interesting in the sense that all, or even some, of those missing voters would be voting for democrats, republicans, or third party candidates..that, after all, is not really how our president is elected. The effect on the electoral college is where this gets interesting. In reality, it doesn't matter whether a single one of them ever would have voted...their simple existence has an effect on the electoral system and the distribution of electoral votes...and the fact that the conservative population is increasing at a faster rate than the liberal population is undeniable and the eventual, inevetable result is hard to deny.

And if it makes you feel better, take that group and factor in SIDS, murder, accidents, etc and the percentages remain the same...those figures would not change the effect in any appreciable way, only the gross numbers would be altered..
Ya know, I just stated my opinion attack it all you want. I could really care less what the 'would have beens' 'would have done' or 'would not have done'.
What matters is what the people that are here now do PERIOD.

I don't find it in the least bit interesting to dwell on what 'would be done'; 'what would not be done'; 'what should be the case' IF...

It's much more interesting to me what people here and now are doing/not doing to make this country a better place.

Please, we can go round and round with the IF game but what good is it?
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The nation is not experiencing a swing to the right, it's just that the left can't think of anything better to do than protest.
I believe that you are quite wrong in that assumption. Consider the rather shocking surprise that the recent "Rock the Vote" campaign and polling data revealed. Their findings suggest strongly that the substantial majority of new voters (18 - 25 age group) characterize themselves as conservative...fully 54% of them identify themselves as strongly anti-abortion and a full 37% of them call themselves conservative Christians...only 26% of the general population calls itself conservative Christian.

This trend has been manifesting itself for at least a decade...to ignore it is simply to ignore reality in favor of some fantasy...in local politics, traditional democrat positions are dropping like flies all over the country...the same is true for state politics...consider the number of democrat govenors that have fallen to republicans in the past decade...hell, look at the congress and the senate...do you think that bill clinton single handedly lost the house and the senate?

No, there is a trend..like it or not, in the long run, the "gene pool" favors conservativism.
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So..........are we saying that we should force people to have children that they don't want for various reasons (threatens the life of the mother, the child is seriously ill or handicapped, or the parents simply can't handle it financially) as opposed to making them have those children and grabbing a few thousand votes?
Personally, I am not saying anything of the sort...I am only putting up some information....food for thought...whether you are hungry or not depends on you.

We do know that the economy is being effected by the "absent" workers...their absence is most certainly going to be felt in the social security administration over the next few decades..or more...it is ludicrous to assume that social security contributions are the only place that their absence would be manifest...

As to the "vote fixing" perhaps first we should stop people who have been dead for decades from voting for democrats in ever growing numbers before we start looking at the workings of voting machines....wouldn't you agree?
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Ya know, I just stated my opinion attack it all you want. I could really care less what the 'would have beens' 'would have done' or 'would not have done'.
What matters is what the people that are here now do PERIOD.

I don't find it in the least bit interesting to dwell on what 'would be done'; 'what would not be done'; 'what should be the case' IF...

It's much more interesting to me what people here and now are doing/not doing to make this country a better place.

Please, we can go round and round with the IF game but what good is it?
This isn't an "if" game crucial...like I said, it doesn't matter a whit how any of those missing voters would have voted or if they would have ever even registered...their very presence in the country has an effect on how electoral votes are distributed...their absence has the same effect.

The conservative population is growing at a faster rate than the liberal population and the real effect (on presidential politics) is how the distribution of electoral votes plays out.

And I didn't attack you. If you believe that a simple rebuttal is an attack, you are perhaps too sensitive to involve yourself in politics. Am I supposed to let your answer lie, as is, and simply thank you graciously for offering up your opinion?...even if I think that it is wrong?
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No, there is a trend..like it or not, in the long run, the "gene pool" favors conservativism.
Is conservativism an inherited trait?
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