Aborted fetus photos - Page 14

myopicmouse · #**131** (**permalink**) 02-17-2005, 02:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stories4u";p=&quot

Quote:

Originally Posted by myopicmouse";p=&quot

a toe is part of a human, but that doesn't make it a homo-sapian...now does it dear?

myopic - n. - referring to a visual defect in which distant objects appear blurred because their images are focused in front of the retina rather than on it; nearsightedness. Also called short sight.

You seem to think in terms that are about a mile wide, but inches deep...a toe "my dear" is a part of a human being..a single celled zygote is human in its entirety at that particular stage of it's development. The number of cells present doesn't determine the degree of humanity. An adult certainly has more cells than an infant, yet both are equally human...and if an infant is human, then an unborn must be human...we are what we are at any given stage of our development..and if our DNA says that we belong to species homo sapiens, then we must be human..

I know that you want to be right here...but it simply isn't possible. You are in the wrong and as long as you hold this position, you will continue to be wrong.

The only pro choice argument that I am unable to bring down is the one in which you say that you are simply ok with killing innocent human beings for no better reason than convenience...

you seem happy to pick and choose. thats no anti-abortion stance at all. I have said i'll i have needed to, to win and make you look Rather foolish. argue among your selfs and refer to my earlier posts. If you can't change your mind when the facts are laid out for you, then it's a waste of my time arguing. My opinion is written down, theres nothing more i need to add other than trade insults with you.

theres just no reasoning with close minded ignorant people, blinded to the thruth by their own arrogance and sense of self-richousness.

stories4u · #**132** (**permalink**) 02-17-2005, 02:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by myopicmouse";p=&quot

theres just no reasoning with close minded ignorant people, blinded to the thruth by their own arrogance and sense of self-richousness.

You are right in this statement...even when the biological truth is isndisputable, somehow you manage to hold on to your ignorance and continue to suggest that unborns are not human...

Perhaps you should just sit out the rest of this discussion...you may not posess the intellectual wattage required to go on..

Vassilij · #**133** (**permalink**) 02-17-2005, 06:51 PM

"Human" but not an individual and we tend to forget we are talking about individual human rights"

A fetus is a human...a fetus has it's own DNA making it an individual....how is that hard to understand?

"Well when the embryo / fetus is a "separate individual" it is afforded individual human rights."

We are talking about individual human rights...two parts... human and individual, not 'separate'.

"seniority" Should my parents be able to kill me because they are older?

ThereseM · #**134** (**permalink**) 02-18-2005, 01:48 AM

we should not be surprised at the lack of nurturing of children from birth. The moment you declare an unborn child, not human, you might as well say that babies newly born are not human. Birth does not make you human. When life begins in the womb is when you become human. Until the time the sperm and egg meet they are just a sperm and egg. Once they become one life begins. If we can't come to that consensus, someone needs to define when we become human.

stories4u · #**135** (**permalink**) 02-18-2005, 01:56 AM

[quote="myopicmouse";p="110435"] 1/ its not human, in the same way sperm isn't human.

If you really want to hold a position, perhaps it would be best if you actually educated yourself just a little bit on the facts regarding that position.

Human Development 101....sperm and eggs are unique cells within the human body. They are unique in the fact that they only have one half of a set of chromosomes. This fact gives both sperm and egg the potential to create new life.

Is any of this sinking in?

When sperm and egg join, each contributes it's one half set of chromosomes and a new DNA fingerprint is formed. At that point, the sperm and egg have realized their potential...both cease to exist and a new life is begun.

A sperm cell represents potential life...a fertilized egg represents the realization of that potential...ie LIFE. Clearly you are wrong in your claim...why do you hold to a position that is wrong?

myopicmouse · #**136** (**permalink**) 02-18-2005, 11:33 AM

[quote="stories4u";p="113617"]

Quote:

Originally Posted by myopicmouse";p=&quot

1/ its not human, in the same way sperm isn't human.

If you really want to hold a position, perhaps it would be best if you actually educated yourself just a little bit on the facts regarding that position.

Human Development 101....sperm and eggs are unique cells within the human body. They are unique in the fact that they only have one half of a set of chromosomes. This fact gives both sperm and egg the potential to create new life.

Is any of this sinking in?

When sperm and egg join, each contributes it's one half set of chromosomes and a new DNA fingerprint is formed. At that point, the sperm and egg have realized their potential...both cease to exist and a new life is begun.

A sperm cell represents potential life...a fertilized egg represents the realization of that potential...ie LIFE. Clearly you are wrong in your claim...why do you hold to a position that is wrong?

i was very much intending to stay out of the abortion forum.... but some stupidity just can't be left unanswered.

Try leaving out the science, you are obviously not a biologist, and your knowledge is quite remedial, and almost comical.

46 chromosomes in the human body. Sperm, 23.

Quote:

1/ its not human, in the same way sperm isn't human.

Tell me, is dead skin, hair, urine and faces human? no, they are products of humans. It's quite funny, because i don't see any sperm with their fancy 23 chromosomes walking down the street to do the weekly shopping trip!

Theres potential for lots of things, it's what happens that matters. My assertion that sperm isn't human is quite correct

Also it's quite funny how you try to use scientific knowledge to prove your point....but curiously stop short a page or two in the book, which would show you to be wrong i.e the sperm example. Try, just TRY to find me a science journal that claims that sperm a human being, because it has the 'potential' to create one.

myopicmouse · #**137** (**permalink**) 02-18-2005, 11:44 AM

[quote="Vassilij";p="113534"]

Quote:

A fetus is a human...a fetus has it's own DNA making it an individual....how is that hard to understand?

DNA does not make you an individual.

Quote:

We are talking about individual human rights...two parts... human and individual, not 'separate'.

ok if the fetus is an

Quote:

individual

cut it out of the mother and see if it comes out and stays alive...it doesn't? no becasue it's part of the mother and with no host it will not survive. it is not an individual.

stories4u · #**138** (**permalink**) 02-18-2005, 12:03 PM

I don't often encounter someone that the term halfwit fits, but you are right there.

Quote:

Originally Posted by myopicmouse

Try leaving out the science, you are obviously not a biologist, and your knowledge is quite remedial, and almost comical.

46 chromosomes in the human body. Sperm, 23. "

Actually my education is in science...I hold a medical degree...I have biology up to and icluding the 5000 level...You are quite right that human cells contain 46 pairs of chromosomes...in case you aren't able to do the math, half of 46 is 23....I stated quite clearly that sperm and egg each have one half a set of chromosomes...when they get together, they each contribute their half set, which equals 46, and a new DNA fingerprint and a new life is formed...

Quote:

Originally Posted by myopicmouse

Theres potential for lots of things, it's what happens that matters. My assertion that sperm isn't human is quite correct "

Maybe you should work on reading for comprehension...I didn't dissagree with you that sperm isn't human...in fact, I agreed with you...

Quote:

Originally Posted by myopicmouse

Try, just TRY to find me a science journal that claims that sperm a human being, because it has the 'potential' to create one.

Why don't you show me where I ever said that sperm are the same as human beings Einstein...

myopicmouse · #**139** (**permalink**) 02-20-2005, 01:52 PM

[quote="stories4u";p="113863"]

Quote:

I don't often encounter someone that the term halfwit fits, but you are right there.

rite back at ya.

Quote:

Actually my education is in science...I hold a medical degree...I have biology up to and icluding the 5000 level...You are quite right that human cells contain 46 pairs of chromosomes...in case you aren't able to do the math, half of 46 is 23....I stated quite clearly that sperm and egg each have one half a set of chromosomes...when they get together, they each contribute their half set, which equals 46, and a new DNA fingerprint and a new life is formed...

whats that? first aid 101?

obviously, i was mearly mentioning numbers, since you seem so egar to include them...I was showing you the annoyance of being told things that are rudimentory, I'm doing a biological sciences docterate at the moment - not that you need any scientific backround to know what you are talking about, infact any halfwit could realise it. I can only summise that you add it because it's 'sciency' and you think it somehow makes you knowlagable. Out of interest...do you believe in evolution & that we came from apes?

Quote:

Maybe you should work on reading for comprehension...I didn't dissagree with you that sperm isn't human...in fact, I agreed with you...

no, you jsut babbled a lot about potential, giving me your brilliant mathmatical calculations.

Quote:

Why don't you show me where I ever said that sperm are the same as human beings Einstein...

like i said, you babble about potential. if you want to call something human (by your definition), then talk about after sperm & egg have fused....otherwise, why add all the rubbish about sperm & chromosome number? what would it have to do with anything? infact why talk about 'potential' at all, and not just comment on fertilised egg+??

---
do you think wasting sperm is bad?

stories4u · #**140** (**permalink**) 02-20-2005, 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by myopicmouse

whats that? first aid 101?

DDS

Quote:

Originally Posted by myopicmouse

I'm doing a biological sciences docterate at the moment "

Frankly speaking, I believe you are a liar...you obviously don't seem to have a grasp of the science at even a high school level, much less at the level of a PHd. One woud think that if you are indeed pursuing a doctorate, you would at least be able to spell the word...

Quote:

Originally Posted by myopicmouse

do you believe in evolution & that we came from apes?

I believe we evolved..but our evolution goes back much further than apes. While I do believe we evolved, I believe in intelligent design..Factors such as multiple, independent, identical inventions of DNA based life from RNA based life seem to lead one to the conclusion of intelligent direction.

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode