....also it has to be rated in same category as sperm. it cant still naturally abort/fail miscarriage. fetus is only 'potential' for life, same as a sperm, and plenty of tissue end up in the bin, now don't they!?

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A sperm and an egg are just a sperm and an egg...just specialized cells.....they have the potential to create life, but if they haven't joined, potential is all they represent..



If mitosis has begun then a new life has started..if it spontaneously aborts, then it has died of natural causes...often completely unknown...but then, being known isn't a requisite for being human is it?... Anyway, it is a unique human being that has died.

You don't seem to understand what "alive" is...when the cells start dividing, then it is alive...a fetus is a potential life, in the same way that you are a potential old geezer.

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a fetus is only 'potentail' for being a human.

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I am a stone, I do not move. I take my time, I let him come closer. I have only one bullet. I aim at his eye. I do not tremble, I have no fear.

So if it is not human, what species does it belong to? Are you suggesting that one must be a certain chronological age in order to be human?...We are human from the moment we come into being untl the moment that we die...if you are suggesting that we somehow jump from being one species to another, perhaps you will offer some credible proof to support such a notion.

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it's from the species homo-sapien, but it certianly isn't a human being until it's born.

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If it belongs to species homo sapien then it is human, if it exists in reality, then it is a being...unborns genetic makeup is absolutely homo sapiens and they do exist in reality...therefore they are human beings...

care to try again???..or simply admit that you have been mistaken...

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i have yet to see a fertalised egg being called a homo-sapien in science text books. From etc, but you wouldn't see a picture of one with homo-sapien written below it, you would get Fertilised egg of homo-sapien - you certianly wouldn't see homo-sapien written on it's own.

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Some things are so obvious that they do not need to be printed in text books...if it's genetic makeup is homo sapiens, then only a dolt would suggest that it is not a member of that species...

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it belongs to the homo-sapien species - but it isn't a homo-sapien. All the scientific journals printed...you think there would at least be a few who might mention your belief that a human fertilized egg is a homo-sapien

when you do, give me the journal, page number and author and i'll look it up in the library.........good luck

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No problem...

http://embryology.med.unsw.edu.au/

http://virtualhumanembryo.lsuhsc.edu/

http://embryos.st-andrews.ac.uk/default.htm

I could do this all day...look in your textbooks, or any scientific journal...or these sites...note that unlike your side of the argument, they all say HUMAN embryo...they say human because it is human...if it were dog then they would say canine, etc...

Human means human...now perhaps you can provide a link or bibliographical reference to an actual scientific publication that says that human embryos are not human...

This is too easy mouse...perhaps you should try a different tack for your argument...perhaps you should just argue that you don't have a problem with killing innocent human beings for no better reason than convenience...I can't argue against that one..

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