Aborted fetus photos - Page 33

C-D-P · #**321** (**permalink**) 04-20-2008, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Makedde

I wonder if learning about sex from parents would be better than learning it at school, then again, parents have more influence over their kids. This could be a good thing or a bad thing, depending on your way of looking at things.

I think that would depend on the kid. I personally think it is better for the parents to do it. But then again not all parents are articulate and mature enough to talk about it on their own.

Makedde · #**322** (**permalink**) 04-20-2008, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by C-D-P

I think that would depend on the kid. I personally think it is better for the parents to do it. But then again not all parents are articulate and mature enough to talk about it on their own.

True, then again, parents may not feel comfortable about speaking with their kids about sex. At least at school, they are taught by someone who knows the sunject well.

beachbum · #**323** (**permalink**) 04-21-2008, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Makedde

From what I have heard, there are an estimated 1.5 million abortions in the US each year. That's 1.5 million adoptive families waiting. Somehow I find that hard to believe.

I'll try find some statistics for us.

thats wone of the reason americans adopt from overseas..

Makedde · #**324** (**permalink**) 04-21-2008, 02:59 AM

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thats wone of the reason americans adopt from overseas..

What reason did I mention? The fact that there are 1.6 million abortions in the US each year, or the fact that has already been mentioned, that it is hard to adopt US children?

Chesby05 · #**325** (**permalink**) 04-21-2008, 03:01 AM

It's the same here - adoption laws are VERY strict. A dear friend of mine, for example, has one daughter but due to medical reasons is unable to conceive again - and she is approaching 40. Her husband is over 40. In Australia if one partner is over the age of 40 you are ineligible to adopt.

They would make the most wonderful adoptive parents - they are already wonderful parents - and yet they can't adopt here. I don't want to get too heated about it because my mother-in-law was one of the people who wrote the policy on adoption in Australia, and she gives a very credible and good argument as to why laws are so strict, but I feel that 40 is too young. How many babies who need adoptive parents are missing out because of our very strict laws?

Another very close girlfriend of mine has tried four rounds of IVF, and everything else under the sun to get pregnant. She is an anaesthetist. Her husband is a urologist. They are wonderful, loving people who desperately want a baby. He is over 40. They cannot adopt. Now they have a surrogate mother in California having a baby for them, and are due two weeks after me. Why can they not adopt? Age, and age only.

The laws here would also make me think twice about adopting out my child if I were considering that as an alternative to abortion. Because I would be less sure of its fate than if I never had it at all. And the child protection and fostering situation in Australia is so utterly appalling that I couldn't face putting my child into that system, even if my pregnancy was unwanted.

Makedde · #**326** (**permalink**) 04-21-2008, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Chesby05

The laws here would also make me think twice about adopting out my child if I were considering that as an alternative to abortion. Because I would be less sure of its fate than if I never had it at all. And the child protection and fostering situation in Australia is so utterly appalling that I couldn't face putting my child into that system, even if my pregnancy was unwanted.

So knowing how hard it is, and how appalling our foster care system is, would you prefer to abort your child rather than give him/her up for adoption?
I think many people think adoption is the best option, but they don't consider the bigger picture, that adoption laws in certain countries may be vastly different from their own.
I think that many people think that your baby will be adopted within a week of you giving it up, but that simply doesn't happen. The older the child gets, the less likely they are to be adopted, as most people want newborns, and lately, it seems to be novelty to adopt from overseas.

The age limit for adoption, in my opinion, should be fifty. Forty is simply too young. By the time someone realises they have a fertility problem or whatever, by the time they have attempted IVF, it's too late for them to adopt. I don't think there is any reason why people over forty shouldn't be able to adopt, especially when they may make brilliant parents.

I'm sorry for your friends, it must be so hard, knowing your own country has let you down.

C-D-P · #**327** (**permalink**) 04-21-2008, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Makedde

So knowing how hard it is, and how appalling our foster care system is, would you prefer to abort your child rather than give him/her up for adoption?
I think many people think adoption is the best option, but they don't consider the bigger picture, that adoption laws in certain countries may be vastly different from their own.
I think that many people think that your baby will be adopted within a week of you giving it up, but that simply doesn't happen. The older the child gets, the less likely they are to be adopted, as most people want newborns, and lately, it seems to be novelty to adopt from overseas.

The age limit for adoption, in my opinion, should be fifty. Forty is simply too young. By the time someone realises they have a fertility problem or whatever, by the time they have attempted IVF, it's too late for them to adopt. I don't think there is any reason why people over forty shouldn't be able to adopt, especially when they may make brilliant parents.

I'm sorry for your friends, it must be so hard, knowing your own country has let you down.

You seem to misunderstand something. While adoption is hard (legally). It is not exactly hard for the birth parents. It is hard for the adoptive parents.

This is going to sound bad. But think of the child as a high demand product. Parents are lining up to adopt. It is difficult. But as more people are willing to abort than to go through with the pregnancy, those that can adopt without worrying about the problems (like money for lawylers and what not). The demand is high.

So all in all, she should have no problem finding someone to adopt the kid.

Yes, right now adoption is too hard for everyone to adopt all the unwanted kids.

Makedde · #**328** (**permalink**) 04-21-2008, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by C-D-P

You seem to misunderstand something. While adoption is hard (legally). It is not exactly hard for the birth parents. It is hard for the adoptive parents.

That's what I meant, although maybe I didn't say that properly. Oh well. It is easy for the birth parents to hand the baby over, it's hard for that child to be adopted because of the law, the rules are too strict.

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Originally Posted by C-D-P

This is going to sound bad. But think of the child as a high demand product. Parents are lining up to adopt. It is difficult. But as more people are willing to abort than to go through with the pregnancy, those that can adopt without worrying about the problems (like money for lawylers and what not). The demand is high.

I wonder though if the demand to adopt is high with parents wanting to adopt from overseas, rather than their own countries, being easier to adopt from overseas, that is.

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Yes, right now adoption is too hard for everyone to adopt all the unwanted kids.

Oh, I agree, which is why I think abortion should always be a choice. I don't think adoption is is easy as people seem to think, there is a lot more to it than simply handing the child over, and I think people need to consider that beforehand.

C-D-P · #**329** (**permalink**) 04-21-2008, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Makedde

That's what I meant, although maybe I didn't say that properly. Oh well. It is easy for the birth parents to hand the baby over, it's hard for that child to be adopted because of the law, the rules are too strict.

I am not talking about handing the kid over to the state. I am talking about that kid going straight from the biological mother to the nursery, then after a day or two, going home with its adopted parents. Hell you can even do a closed adoption so neither parties even meet or know eachother's names.

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I wonder though if the demand to adopt is high with parents wanting to adopt from overseas, rather than their own countries, being easier to adopt from overseas, that is.

Because it is easier for these people that do not have the cash or are too old to do it in this country.

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Originally Posted by Makedde

Oh, I agree, which is why I think abortion should always be a choice. I don't think adoption is is easy as people seem to think, there is a lot more to it than simply handing the child over, and I think people need to consider that beforehand.

It depends. It pretty much is as easy as handing the kid over. And part of the stipulations for the adoption can be that the adopted parents take care of the legalities, as well as pay legal fees for the birth mother.

Makedde · #**330** (**permalink**) 04-21-2008, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by C-D-P

I am not talking about handing the kid over to the state. I am talking about that kid going straight from the biological mother to the nursery, then after a day or two, going home with its adopted parents. Hell you can even do a closed adoption so neither parties even meet or know eachother's names.

I see what you mean. That kind of adoption would be easier, having already met the adoptive parents, you would know what kind of home that child would be going to.
I'd prefer this kind of adoption, although I don't think most are done this way. I'm not sure whether this type of adoption is more popular than just handing the baby over and hoping for the best.

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