You make a good point.

Morality, as we can see here as well as being "subjective" and "personal" is not "universal".
Moral "conflicts" produce opposing (and sometimes unreconcilable) opinions and views. Laws resolve these conflicts along democratic lines.

Laws disappoint many I am sure. Because, not only do laws supercede morality, many laws reflect "immoral" values for the social minority.

Democracy is not only about the rule of the majority, it is also about accepting that rule when one is in the minority.

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I can't tell you how insulting that is. Excuse me for actively supporting my class of "degenerates."

It's not selfishness...it's self-concern. I'm telling you that I would never be moronic enough to have an unwanted pregnancy...so while I would never need an abortion, other women DO. And here's why, this is the REAL debate. It's not about whether a fetus is human because OF COURSE it's a human. So.....why would a woman want to make an incredibly intimate decision at the expense of another human?

Did you know that only one out of every ten women who are raped report the incident? That's because the majority of them are raped by someone they know, someone in their social circle, so after reporting the incident both to police and friends, many women are met with the incredulity of their peers, not to mention ostracization, emotional distress, and risk of pregnancy and/or STD acquisition.

Now, I do not LIKE abortion. It's not a pleasant thing, but what bothers me is how so many pro-lifers assume that most women use it as a form of "birth control." "Whoops! I got pregnant! I'll just have an abortion."

I'm a volunteer at Planned Parenthood...I also go to a Catholic school, so everyday I see both sides of the debate. I can tell you, however, that the women who do get abortions are not the flippant fools you think they are. They are genuinely good people who've become victims of human error--be it through their own fallibility or faulty contraception.

THAT IS WHY ABORTION NEEDS TO REMAIN LEGAL. You want to get rid of it? I have a good plan: PROVIDE BETTER EDUCATION ON BIRTH CONTROL. That way the women who discreetly way the decision to have an abortion retain that right, and teens and adults alike have a better understanding of avoiding pregnancy in the first place.

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A) - when Roe v Wade was passed it gave us a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT to legal abortions - - so that part of your post was just wrong, dear.


B)On what do you base your OPINION, stated as FACT, about what the founding fathers would have thought about abortion? You DO realize that slave owners, which lots of our founding fathers were, regularly had their female slaves abort pregnancies they, the owners, did not want to come to term, right? Slave owners only wanted certain slaves to breed, to improve the line (like horse or dog breeders) also if a slave's pregnancy would cause an inconvenience they aborted it. Like if the slave was the lady-of-the-house's personal maid - her final weeks of pregnancy and first weeks with the new baby would leave her unavailable for the lady-of-the-house's service.



C) the reason I wonder if you are really a girl, as your moniker implies, is because you made a blanket statement that abortion is lazy women's birth control and the ignorance encompassed by that statement makes me wonder about your gender.
I mean, don't ALL women know it's not only possible to get pregnant while on the pill (even if you take it properly) but it happens all the time?
I agree that women need to be responsible and diligent with their chosen birth control method(s) if they don't want a pregnancy to occur, but NO birth control method is 100% effective.

Abortions are sometimes necessary for other reasons.

I'll give you an example from my own family;back in 1955 my mother delivered a very large baby boy - BREECH! He weighed in at 10.2 lbs and she had to be flat on her back in bed for 3 weeks before the birth because of the weight of the big baby on her internal organs.

Obviously, since this was a breech birth, it really took its toll on her, physically.
10 months after that birth she was pregnant again and her doctor said she couldn't carry the baby - her body hadn't healed enough yet, and even if she did manage to somehow not miscarry, it would destroy any chances for any pregnancies after that. Her doctor advised her to abort the pregnancy, and since it was highly illegal back in those days, he told her who to get in touch with and told her he would never admit in a court of law he advised the abortion OR gave her the info.

She went off on a bus to a larger city a couple of hours away and stayed for the weekend at a "private clinic". The doctor was not licensed, but the nurse was, and the procedure went well, so my mom was a lucky one.

She went on to heal just fine and had 3 healthy children afterwards.





So lose the yayaya about "lazy" women using abortion for birth control.

Not only is the blanket statement totally avoiding REALITY, you wouldn't make the statement at all if you had ever been through the procedure, madear.
It ain't something you want to do all the time instead of taking a pill or wearing a patch.

This time we are killing off little human beings that can't fight for themselves.
Abortion is a nasty, vile procedure that kills a human life. It's cruel and
painful for the unborn child. Take the pill, use a condom, have tubes tied or a vasectomy. Rape does not need to be reported to the police if the woman doesn't want to but she should go to the hospital where they will take care of any chance of a possible pregnancy. There are a lot of worse things in the world that are caused by unprotected sex than pregnancy. AIDS comes to mind. The fact of the matter is that there is no good reason to have an abortion. The only possible reason I can see for an abortion is if a child has been molested. Murder is murder. If IT is alive and you kill IT, it is murder whether IT is an unborn child, a fetus or an embryo

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Look at it like this:

Women have been terminating pregnancies for millennia, and always will. Since abortion is legal, women are provided with a SAFE means of terminating a pregnancy. You think abortion is ugly? Think of coat hanger abortions. THAT is what will happen if it is made illegal....then suddenly the MOTHERS will be dying....yes.... right to life? Right to whose life? Right to whose body?

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deva do you think murder is ok?.... just wondering...

col-rough it's both about choice and about life... personally I think life is more important, how bout you?

I look at potential and that’s were are views are different I look at potential you look at what it can do at that very second, unforchanetly that you mean that those in a coma are not really alive and so therefore it would not be murder for someone to cut there trout, a unfertilized egg does not have potential unless it gets help from an outside source, aka sperm. Oncece it has potential it is just as valuable as you and I. Wouldn’t you think so?

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Thats the beauty of the system. You have the right to make your choice based on what you believe and others have the right to choose what they believe. And that is the way it should be.

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Actually people have been having just as much sex and abortions as they have always had, there are just more people now. The difference was that back then what you did in the bedroom was your own business and your private life was just that...private.

-Demosthenes

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what?!?! If I believe that murder is ok does that mean I there’s nothing wrong with me committing a murder?! come-on, if everyone try’s to do what they think is right then there will be chaos

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Exactly, there may be an absolute right and wrong, but everyone has their own idea of what that is. Who's to say that your view on abortion is the one that is absolute? If it's not, making other's decide based on that view doesn't make sense. Yes it is murder to some, but not everybody believes it is murder and some people hold ideals like freedom of choice above life. So arguing about the morality of abortion will always be fruitless because everyone has their own beliefs.