Abortion should only be legal if done so in the first trimester of pregnancy. After this, it is murder. What is the difference between a woman going to a hospital to kill her baby, and the husband of a wife pushing the woman down the stairs and killing hte baby?

Even befor the first trimester is killing! God created babies to live not to be killed!! It's so stupid, just have the kid. Abortion should be illegal always, easily said.

Abortion is not murder. A fetus does not live ndependent of its mother. Should a pregnant woman die in her sleep the night before she were to deliver, her fetus dies, too. The fetus becomes an independent entity at birth. Killing it at or after THAT point is murder.
If religionists are successful in their efforts to make abortion illegal the procedures will not end. They will go underground in the states which have prohibited them and the boarder states that permit abortion will have clinics at the state lines. The wealthy will get their abortions but the poor will be forced to carry their fetuses to term. We will see a growth of the number of children who live in poverty; a number disgracefully high in this wealthy land.

The difference is ones abortion, ones not and one is legal, the other is not.

I agree with you. Murder is a crime, a crime is a violation of the law, therefore, where abortion is not a violation of the law, the act of abortion is not murder.

Although murder by definition is the killing of one human being by another, therefore fetus' have to be human beings in order to murder them. However, it is no crime to lawfully kill another human being, therefore even if abortion inolves killing of human beings, it is still not murder because it is not a violation of the law.

So anyone that thinks abortion is murder should look at doctors registered to do abortions and see if any of them are getting charged with murder. NOPE!!!!

If you or I kill a fetus, it may be murder. Outside the framework of an abortion by a registered clinic, it may still be murder to kill a fetus.

If you or I kill a fetus, it may be murder. Outside the framework of an abortion by a registered clinic, it may still be murder to kill a fetus.[/quote]
Your comments speak the the current condition of some state laws and not to the ethical or philosophical question raised with this topic. Mine do. Since a fetus dies when a mother dies we can see that the fetus is entirely dependent on the mother-host for its viability. Once that fetus is born successfully, it is a baby and is capable of living its own life. I believe that it is at this point that killing is murder and not before.

I consider it a human being from conception. Yeah we all know what the law says but that doesnt mean it is not murder, imo. As a woman who has bore children, I dont assume to own the child growing inside of my womb. It is a seperate entity, a unique individual with the will to live. I have no right to kill it simply because it is inconvenient or unwanted.

This is what is written in the chapter titled "Children" in the book "The Prophet" by Kahlil Gibran

Your children are not your children.
They are the sons and daughters of Life's longing for itself.
They come through you but not from you,
And though they are with you, yet they belong not to you.
You may give them your love but not your thoughts.
For they have their own thoughts.
You may house their bodies but not their souls,
For their souls dwell in the house of tomorrow, which you cannot visit, not even in your dreams.
You may strive to be like them, but seek not to make them like you.
For life goes not backward nor tarries with yesterday.
You are the bows from which your children as living arrows are sent forth.
The archer sees the mark upon the path of the infinite, and He bends you with His might that His arrows may go swift and far.
Let your bending in the archer's hand be for gladness;
For even as He loves the arrow that flies, so He loves also the bow that is stable.

Actually you have the right to kill it, or more specifically the right to consent to have a medical doctor remove the fetus or embryo. You may choose not to exercise that right, but nevertheless the right exists.

A fetus may be an individual, but not even you treat it as one. You clearly declare that a fetus has the "will to live," but if the fetus were an individual shouldn't you let it decide its own will?

If you come up with an arguement that makes sense I may read your poem.

Im glad you cling to your "rights" as defined by the law of the land but there is also a higher law of conscience that you seem intent on ignoring- murder is murder- whether or not a government entity says it is "ok"
How can you say that I am "deciding will of the fetus" by letting it live? Do you mean it wishes to die? How do you know and doesnt this line of thinking mean that you are deciding the will of the fetus? (*ahem* baby- it is "ok" to call it a baby i.e. human being/child)
How about you come up with an argument that makes sense yourself and it is not *my* poem- but Im sure that things other than what you choose to hide behind dont concern you

Individual decision must prevail. There can not be an agreement on whether a fetus is a living being or not. It is all in how we define it. Many harsh words are spread between the lines on this issue, and niether side really tries to understand the other- or maybe they just can't.
I personally think that abortion should not be a guiltless endeavor, because that could desensitize and create a cold society. But it rarely is a guiltless endeavor. And because we cannot come to any agreement, we must leave it to the choice of the individual. Someone who does not view a fetus as living cannot understand it as murder. Someone who sees the fetus as a living being cannot understand how it cannot be seen as murder. I simply see it as a sad choice for someone to make, but their choice nonetheless.

When does life start and end? Is someone dead when their heart stops working? Does it start when it starts to work? If so, fetuses ARE alive. Does life start when a being can feel pain? Then a fetus is alive. thus, killing a fetus is nothing short of murder.