http://www.news24.com/News24/Africa/...082471,00.html

http://www.news24.com/News24/Africa/...082343,00.html

http://www.news24.com/News24/Africa/...081895,00.html

I think the violent end of Mugabe is on the horizen. The people of Zimbabwe arefinally standing up for themselves. Now if only my own (*)(*)(*)(*)ed government can pull their fingers out and do something!!

AH

You're looking at south africa ten years hence. Get out while you can.

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I think Mbeki`s failure to confront Mugabe`s abuses betrays his lack of commitment to good goverance and the democratic process.

How is this issue viewed among South Africans?

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First Jake.

You aremaking the age old mistake of not taking different sircumstances into account. There is the vastly different contitiotions the two countries have. There is the fact that Zim is ruled by a dictator (and was 10 years before) and SA is not. There is the fact that SA has an independent judicary and Zim never had. And these are just to name a few. So no Jake, I'll be haning around, SA will not go down that path.


Johnderon. May South Africans would agree with you, that is for sure, but it is not as simple as that, in my mind. First other things that President Mbeki does proofs quite opposite. He comes across to be a believer in the rule of law, and has taken vast steps to improve clean and open governance in South Africa and in the AU. He has not gone far enough, but still.

Also, we need to keep African culture in mind. A junior never critisises a senior in public. So, we have enough reason to suspect that Mbeki has spoken to Mugabe in private on these issues. We also know that elder statesman Nelson Mandela and also Archbishop Tutu has publicly spoken against Mugabe, as they are older than him.

And then there is Mugabe's support of the ANC whilst they where in exile, and fighting the old regime.

But please, do not read this as excuses, I think the SA government is very wrong and not living up to it's responsibility by being quiet. Somethings have been done, like refusing Zimbabwe any loans from SA until free and fair elections have been held, etc. but again, this is not enough..

Mbeki is a smart guy with a dumb desease. He has lost touch with reality, this is the common view in SA, even amongst his own party. He has lost touch with what is going on with HIV. He has no idea about the country's crime problem, even denying that it exists. And he is out of touh with the Zim issue. Most South Africans just view him as a guy so overwelmed, that he can not deal with the reality in front of him.

http://www.news24.com/News24/South_A...082863,00.html

I wonder where the ANC would have been if the world said: "Apartheid is the South Africans problem, they should solve it on their own"

This government is getting on my nerves!

As much as I find Mugabe reprehensible. It is for the nation of Zimbabwe to cause his downfall.

What would you have SA do. Invade with an Army.

Now is the time for the African Union to act and the UN.

Mugabe threatened by own party
13/03/2007 12:18 - (SA)

Harare - The major threat to Zimbabwe President Robert Mugabe comes from disgruntled members of his Zanu-PF party upset with his plans to extend his rule rather than the official opposition, according to analysts.

http://www.news24.com/News24/Africa/...082782,00.html

No Armies invaded SA the aid the ANC. Invasions only prolong bloody conflicts and have a habit of crossing borders.

But the problem is that Zimbabwe, unlike apartheid-era SA has no well-structured government or tradition of democracy. SA was held back by unjust policies, not a completely corrupt political system that hampered its ability to expect any rule of law.
The chances are that Mugabe will only be replaced by another dictator and the system (or lackthereof) will live on. While I agree that SA should not necessarily take up a military role against Mugabe, it and others should be there to help pick up the pieces, perhaps monitor elections and help draft a constitution... ensure that what rises from Mugabe's ashes is not merely a new incarnation of the same monster.

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How would you Decapitate a body and leave it alive to grow a new head?

The aftermath of his tyrannical reign will last a long time.

The African nations have invited Mugabe to go into exile.

Sanctions now would only harm the people of Zimbabwe more.

Anyone here who have read my previous posts know I am against most forms of military action, and I surely do not want to see an invasion of Zim.

But SA's leadrs MUST speak out against Mugabe.
SA MUST enforce the travel ban that has been put in place by the UN
SA must allow this problem to be discussed at the AU, something that has been pushed of the table at all the previous AU meetings
SA must put political pressure on the ruling party to get rid of their corrupt pesident
SA MUST give diplomatic help to opposition parties in Zim

Zimbabwe is dependent on SA for it's electricity, food fuel and other important goods. We have a responsibility towards the people of Zim, who have asked us for help.

I never did, and never will support a SA backed coup, or invation of Zim, as I belive this course to be wrong and disaterous. (Anyway, we can't 70% of our military foces are comited elsewher in Africa on peacekeeping missions. We don't even have the troops to invade Zim). But I do support our government putting more pressure, and giving help to the people of Zim. Hell, right now we would be overjoyed just to hear our President say in public that Mugabe is wrong and should go!!!

AH

...you`ll get your wish.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/6449691.stm

It would be nice if Mugabe had to pay something for Mr Tsvangirai`s blood.

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