He pulled out because his supporters were systematically targeted.


In the 80s the West's second biggest foreign-affairs "bugaboo" was the war on drugs in Latin America. Third was the Lebanese civil war. Then there was the Libya terrorism.



I concede no such thing. Crime has actually fallen in the townships, but has become more equally distributed throughout other regions. Let me explain, with big breaks in between so you can actually understand, I wish there was pretty little diagrams with large colorful letters too, for extra clarity.

Let’s see now...

in 1991 the SAP (South African Police) was 91,000 personnel, that includes support, administrative, etc. They were policing a population of 6,000,000 people.

in 1994 it was increased to 140,000, but now policing 45,000,000. Now, the fun part, pull out your handy dandy calculator and let’s do some simple crunches, I promise it won't hurt.

1) 91,000police/6,000,000 * (1000) = 15.17 police per 1000 people.

2) 147,000 police / 45,000,000 * (1000) = 3.27 police per 1000 people

Now lets see the % change between the two, (3.27-15.17/15.17)*100= (78.44) %

That's right, roughly a 78% fall in law enforcement coverage per 1000 people from 1991 to 1994 and onwards.

If you're so smart you can figure the effects of what this would have on a society literally emerging from the brink of civil war. A society awash with firearms.

I admit the numbers are to be taken lightly as total personnel includes administrators, office clerks, and so on. Data on the actually number of active personnel is more difficult to find, but I can assure you its even lower. Also there’s social issues in play too that can never be ignored, but it’s a fun rough estimate.

At this point, I hope I've painted you a clear picture of why crime in South Africa has not decreased significantly since the mid 90s. And for that matter, I'm surprised it hasn't increased even more now.



Oh please don't give me that white supremacist (*)(*)(*)(*) on white engineered this white engineered that. As a matter of fact plenty of the engineering done in Africa is done by African (black) companies. Simply purchasing foreign designed machine will not guarantee domestic success. It is far more complex than that, if it was that easy why didn’t the Europeans settle tropical Africa like they did the Americas and Australia? The complexities of the situation are (apparently) way over your head.

Africa still lags behind much of the world in terms of literacy and therefore it has very few companies who engineer domestically, but it’s a myth that they do not exist. In the past Africans have always imported, but many now are realizing that imports aren't suited for the environment. A good example is the ridiculously weak buses made in Europe that turn to rust within a few years in tropical jungle weather. Ivorian company Sotra (http://www.sotra.ci/sotraindustries.php) is building buses and boats that at least won't break down every couple thousand miles. Companies like Bravura (http://www.bravuracompany.com) create infrastructure designed for the African climate. And so do companies such as Julius Beger (A German company, but with a subsidiary run by Africans in Nigeria), which builds highways, roads, bridges, and plenty of other structures contracted from the government.

I give Kudos to Nigeria for building whatever they have built in the past 10 years domestically, and not relying on Chinese, Indians or Europeans. Same goes for South Africa, which has remained protectionist of cheap Chinese goods and subsidized European imports.

Will Nigeria, South Africa, Angola and the rest be third world in 100 years? Well, 100 years will tell won't they?

So what? The people could still have voted for him. He was still on the ballot. The people know who he is.

The war on drugs was mostly domestic.

In 1962 the UN requested that all members cut political, fiscal and transportation connections with South Africa. In 1968, it wanted its members to end cultural, educational, and sporting connections with South Africa. educational and sporting connections as well. In the 1980s, the hip thing was boycotting South Africa. "Ain't goin' to play Sun City". Why are liberals always in denial about the degree of intolerance of discrimination against blacks?

South African whites wouldn't choose to turn their country into a (*)(*)(*)(*)hole by giving up power except the world was trying to destroy South Africa to punish the whites.

Pointing out that the police were stretched thin is not evidence that crime was stagnant. On the contrary, it's a poor excuse for skyrocketing crime. But, your logic is flawed. 40 million people getting some policing when they allegedly had none before should reduce crime (spreading the police thin is more efficient than concentrating them on the lowest-crime demographic). Both reason and evidence contradict you. Crime increased under black governments because black governments are stupid and culturally corrupt. You can look at the history of blacks in US cities to see the black crime rates go up with black leaders, even if there is an increase in per capita policing.

When the US emerged from its civil war, the crime rate was nearly zero. The US also has seven times more guns per capita than South Africa. By your reasoning, the US should be a bigger mess than South Africa. But, it's not because it's whiter.

You're still in denial that crime increase after Apartheid ended, exceeding that in most of the world in many categories.

What tractor, corn, and chemical patents have been filed by black African countries? It's just irrational of you to think that any innovation and invention comes out of Africa compared to the US. Innovations by whites in farming have increased the production of many crops more than a 1000 fold (per man-hour) in the last century alone. Yet, even after giving black Africans this technology, they still are in need of large amounts of food aid.

In some place in the US, we spend upwards of $200,000 to educate a single black before he leaves High School, and he's still only marginally literate. If we can't teach blacks, how are blacks going to teach blacks?

The European companies can build to suit needs. If black countries could build anything better, they wouldn't be 3rd-world countries. An inferior domestic car auto company is for national pride and some small measure of self-sufficiency. The claim you're repeating is just propaganda.

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Poor gettin' poorer...

Recession pushed 90 million into extreme poverty-UN
Sun Jul 5, 2009 * Recession has pushed millions more into extreme poverty * Sickness more prevalent, life-saving drugs out of reach * U.N. Secretary-General calls for continued aid in crisis

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Imagine there were armed militias standing between you and the ballot box. Blacks from the south after the Civil War can attest to what an armed militia standing between you and the ballot box can feel like. Usually turns one off from voting.

Not it wasn't. Try again.

No one asked them to give up power. They were asked to allow blacks to vote.

Again, you didn't read. Try again. Crime didn't increase. It only started to affect white communities.

Again, fail. The crime rate was not zero. It was the highest its ever been. The south had high crime rates and reprisal attacks were common. Violence touched every part of society. You don't even know your own history. Again, you fail, try again!

I think I'm posting to a brick wall. Crime in SA has always been historically high, right up there with Brazil. When whites were touched by it it only then began receiving media attention.

I agree that new patents are filed by the US more than any other country on the globe. The US files more patents than China, India and Japan combined. That doesn't have anything to do with African inferiority, and more with US (read: US, not white) innovation.

Also, not all countries in Africa receive food aid. The ones with the largest populations usually do not. Some countries now export food due to a 180 policy shift regarding subsidies. For example:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=aMJ73kItCCgM

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=aJpFIIKA4zk0

etc etc...

That's ridiculous. Any non white nationalist sources?

By the looks of things one your top model minority groups are Nigerians. If they can attain the highest education degree in the US as blacks AND immigrants, I don't see what the problem is.

You gotta stop believing everything you read on that circus known as Stormfront.

China has inferior domestic products too. The Africans are beginning to realize that you cannot simply import heavy industry, it must be cultivated and protected domestically. There was a time when Japanese cars were a laughing stock. Protectionism of the industry coupled with subsidies helped domestic Japanese car companies eventually stabilize and expand. The Chinese are emulating, and now so are the Africans.

I am sure the Latin Americans and Arabs will too in the next few decades.

The Japanese expanded because they build better cars.

Lol, they are not. You only need to ride in a Chinese car once to see it. Chinese cars are crap. They're like the GM of old - 18 months on the road and they're held together with tape, parts like door handles and arm rests are falling off and according to European crash tests they'd lose in a frontal collision to a largish mosquito.

Domestic car companies still have to worry about the Japanese. Chinese aren't even in the game.

A lot of these African countries have not been given hard cash, they are given weapons, Tanks, bombs, planes etc, these weapons are valued way above civilian prices and then are considered a loan not a gift, so the Loan is made and valued by the seller, usually a Government like our own to some tyrant this is a "loan" not a gift. These weapons are just old stock. Another scam is the service agreements made by Governments in spare parts, corruption at its worse.

Africa blames everything on the west, we can feed Africa for the next thousand years and still they will be starving. What's needed is regime change but that will just be looked at as the white man trying to colonise again. Well lets be honest Rhodesia was the fruit bowl of Africa and now its Mugabe's mausoleum, and he's spent more on arms in 30 years than ever he spent on education or healthcare. They will take a bag of grain from you in the morning and hack you to pieces with a machete in the afternoon the tribal culture makes it impossible to control.

It's a pity that the present UN does not have any slightest resemblance of foresight or else it could have long taken remedial action to remove this autocratic and brutal leader whose friend is North Korea, it is only becoming clearer to the UN now, they don't care about the human race. The North Korean leader visited Mugabe and the fact that North Korea was responsible for training Mugabe's 5th Brigade Army that massacred 30'000 Zimbabweans in the 80s.

30 years of empowerment under the Mugabe regime has led to the brightest and the best of Zimbabwe's population choosing to leave their home. This reflects the disaster that has unfolded under ZANU PF policy making. Education is the basis of Law and Order. These cornerstones of democracy have been destroyed by ZANU PF murderous policies so the select few can remain in power. The tools of oppression are safely in the hands of Mugabe's chosen few and the effectiveness in their use is marked by the tens of thousands of their victims graves strewn across that sad country. When Africans stand up and say they have had enough of these so called "liberators" then things will change. Until then the body count will continue to rise.

There were no militias standing between voters and the ballot box in Zimbabwe. There was more danger in not voting.

Ignoring your bashing of good, white Americans, your example has no analogy to Zimbabwe. Zimbabwe is black, black, black. You can't selectively intimidate people that all look the same. You can't tell by looking at a black if he's going to vote for black dictator one or black dictator two. The polling itself is anonymous.

The trouble with Zimbabwe isn't that it has an oppressive black dictator, it's that the country is black. If it wasn't Mugabe, it would be someone else, and Zimbabwe would still be a (*)(*)(*)(*)hole.

The rest of your post likewise pays more heat to Political Correctness than to reality.

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What are you talking about? They don't even know how to fly planes. They get cash, medicine, food, computers, training, not weapons from western countries.

The only "loans" are cash. These loans come with strings attached that require the black governments to do something civilized. And, these loans are always forgiven. Black African countries don't pay back loans.

Do you mean to say that the black governments buy weapons instead of using their resources for maintaining civilization and caring for the people?

True.

What's needed is white rule, if Africa is to be a functional civilization.

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Vast majority? 40 out of 52? 30 out of 52? 27 out of 52?

But more importantly, can I get a reference for that please, because to be honest, I am having trouble accepting it.

Can I get a reference for that please, or is it a PoV?