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Default North Korean Counterfeit Bills Are CIA Minted

Experts Suggest the CIA, Not Kim Jong-il, is Counterfeiting Dollars

by Klaus W. Bender

January 9, 2007


“Sources allege that the CIA prints the falsified 'Supernotes' at a secret facility near Washington to fund covert operations without Congressional oversight.” -- January 6, 2006


The American secret service, the CIA, could be responsible for manufacturing the nearly-perfect counterfeit 50 and 100-dollar-notes that Washington pins on the terror regime of North Korea. The charge comes after an extensive investigation in Europe and Asia by the Sunday edition of the Frankfurter Allgemeinen Sonntagszeitung of Frankfurt, and after interviews with counterfeit money experts and leading representatives of the high-security publishing industry.

The U.S.-dollar forgeries designated "Supernotes," which are so good that even specialists are unable to distinguish them from genuine notes, have circulated for almost two decades without a reliable identification of the culprits. Because of their extraordinary quality, experts assume that some country must be behind the enterprise.

The administration of George W. Bush officially accused Pyongyang of the deed in the autumn of 2005, derailing Six-Party Talks on Pyongyang's nuclear weapons program. Since then, tensions on the Korean Peninsula have increased considerably. America charges that North Korea is financing its rocket and nuclear weapons program with the counterfeit "Supernotes."

North Korea is one of the world's poorest nations and lacks the technological capability to produce notes of such high quality. According to the Frankfurter Allgemeinen Sonntagszeitung, North Korea is at present unable to even produce the won [the North Korean currency]. The sources, which do not wish to be identified, allege that the CIA prints the falsified "Supernotes" at a secret facility near Washington to fund covert operations without Congressional oversight.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...articleId=4393
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If they've got actual evidence, that's one thing. But they seem to have little but speculation and anonymous sourcing.

First, they make an error in fact: North Korea may be poor, but it has enough resources to produce high-quality currency. All it takes is a supply of cotton-fiber paper and some really good presses (intaglio for fine-detail printing, other presses for adding security features). The presses are expensive, but not prohibitively so. The bigger hurdle is that they're generally only sold to governments. But North Korea qualifies.

Second, The story says NK's own currency is of poor quality. That's to be expected: it's practically worthless, good only inside NK, and nobody's going to bother counterfeiting it. So it will be made as cheaply as possible. That doesn't mean NK is incapable of producing higher-quality bills when the incentives are right.

Third, this simply doesn't make sense. Why would the CIA circulate fake bills for 16 years before accusing NK of the deed?
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I don't think the CIA would be behind such an effort. It gets a "black budget" of an unknown amount each year. They would not have a need to generate bogus money. Nor would Bush the Lame need actual counterfeit cash to claim that N. Korea was up to something. He could easily declare it so. No one would be in a position to prove otherwise.

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I don't believe CIA would do such a thing.
It undermines the US economy.
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Yeah, skepticsm...

And you got this from WHERE?

"Sources"? "Klaus Bender"?

Hmm...

Humorous, at best. You'll have to come back with better evidence than that, page one.

Then, I'll check it out... (you can tell, that I'm not entierely disregarding the possibility, only that I think KJI is far more likely to be the suspect in this kind of thing, than the CIA is - I've seen some of those phony banknotes, and I almost got tagged for trying to pass one, once - even though I was entirely innocent - I didn't even remember who i got it from) -

So,.... I really don't suspect our CIA is involved at this level - that would be very much too outrageous, and I dare-say it would be almost enough to bring our entire government down - subject to a Rep-vs-Dem debate and all that - but that would just be a little too much....

So, let's hear the further evidence on this. I don't think anything will come back, but if it does, I'll tag this thread and pay attention.

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North Korea is one of the world's poorest nations and lacks the technological capability to produce notes of such high quality. According to the Frankfurter Allgemeinen Sonntagszeitung, North Korea is at present unable to even produce the won [the North Korean currency].
Precisely,because all the money goes to government approved fraud.
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I don't believe CIA would do such a thing.
It undermines the US economy.
In a system with trillions of existing dollars, they could print millions with only a slight increase of inflation.
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If they've got actual evidence, that's one thing. But they seem to have little but speculation and anonymous sourcing.
Again, sometimes I post sources based on speculation, and you're right - that's pretty much all this is at this point.

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Third, this simply doesn't make sense. Why would the CIA circulate fake bills for 16 years before accusing NK of the deed?
We know for a fact the CIA was dealing drugs to create profit for covert ops. Their have been implications of counterfeiting before. They would certainly have the means to do so. I think it's safe to assume they'd resort to counterfeiting if they'll resort to drug dealing.

As far as blaming it on North Korea, they're always looking for a boogeyman. The CIA has always been good at pointing the finger at someone else.
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I don't think the CIA would be behind such an effort. It gets a "black budget" of an unknown amount each year. They would not have a need to generate bogus money.
Their proven drug dealing refutes this argument.
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