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Old 04-17-2007, 06:26 PM
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http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/04/...s/nagasaki.php

Boy, too bad Japan doesn't have strong gun laws. Oooo wait - they DO have strong gun laws. Imagine that.
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The Yakuza control huge areas of Japan, mostly because they control all the guns in the country. Not even police have guns. A lot of areas are simply at the mercy of the crime families because they literally have no defense against them.

This incident, however, will likely have serious repercussions not only for the Yamaguchi-gumi, which is the largest crime family in Japan, but for all the Yakuza. Their control over local governments rest on the fear of violence moreso than actual violence. This incident, extremely rare even for Yakuza, will likely spark even stricter gun control laws, making a hassle for Yakuza. I'll bet this wasn't an authorized assassination. The gangster involved will likely pay a heavy price for his vengence.
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Japanese murder rate: 1.1 per 100,000 (1,419 total murders in 2004, out of a population of about 127 million).

United States murder rate: 5.5 per 100,000 inhabitants, rising as high as 57 per 100,000 in lax-gun-law New Orleans (pre-Katrina).
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004902.html

Japan also has very low rates of robbery (5.7 per 100,000) and rape (1.7 per 100,000). The comparable U.S. figures for the same year (2004) are 210 per 100,000 and 40 per 100,000.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/...viortrdtab.htm

Most people think a lot of that is cultural, and not simply a reflection of law enforcement or gun policies. But please stop talking out of your butt. For a supposed science head, you're really fond of arguing from anecdote.
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Japanese murder rate: 1.1 per 100,000 (1,419 total murders in 2004, out of a population of about 127 million).

United States murder rate: 5.5 per 100,000 inhabitants, rising as high as 57 per 100,000 in lax-gun-law New Orleans (pre-Katrina).
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004902.html

Japan also has very low rates of robbery (5.7 per 100,000) and rape (1.7 per 100,000). The comparable U.S. figures for the same year (2004) are 210 per 100,000 and 40 per 100,000.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/...viortrdtab.htm

Most people think a lot of that is cultural, and not simply a reflection of law enforcement or gun policies. But please stop talking out of your butt. For a supposed science head, you're really fond of arguing from anecdote.
That's right - talk to any sociologist and they'll tell you the source of crime is very complex. As for my anecdote - it shows that anyone in Japan can kill practically anyone else if they want to. They don't, because unlike the US, they haven't had institutions that build anti-crime character like religion, family, morality, and national unity crushed by liberals. AND countries with widespread access to firearms like eg switzerland don't have high crime rates. Don't pull selective stats out of your butt and expect to impress anyone with a science degree,
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Default Joker's post alone illustrates Jake being right about this..

If you're intent on killing someone with a gun, no amount of gun laws will stop you. ESPECIALLY if you don't care if you survive the process.
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But alot of violence is spur of the moment.
Hence the US rates been higher. Easy access to weaponry. Higher death rates.
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But alot of violence is spur of the moment.
Hence the US rates been higher. Easy access to weaponry. Higher death rates.
...that is exactly what hitler and stalin said.
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Pornography is available in vending machines, yet it is not abused by minors. Alcohol is available in vending machines and can be purchased by minors at the store, and again, it is not out of control. American culture could do well to learn from other cultures.
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But alot of violence is spur of the moment.
Hence the US rates been higher. Easy access to weaponry. Higher death rates.
It's the attitudes that are different. In America, you alot of people we seem to think, "I'm more important than everybody else." We're highly competitive, get ahead of the next guy...by any means necessary.

I Japan, it more like, "You're more important than me." It's not such a competitive society; it's more of a comformist society. "Don't rock the boat."

And I think what Japan lacks in numbers, they make up for in sheer brutality.
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They don't, because unlike the US, they haven't had institutions that build anti-crime character like religion, family, morality, and national unity crushed by liberals.
Oh, so *that's* the reason....

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AND countries with widespread access to firearms like eg switzerland don't have high crime rates.
Speaking of selective stats, that's one. Here's a selection of countries, with gun ownership listed where known. It's from a pro-gun site. Please show me the correlation between gun ownership and crime.
http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcgvinco.html

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Don't pull selective stats out of your butt and expect to impress anyone with a science degree,
I didn't pull "selective stats" out of my butt. The thread dealt with Japan, so I addressed Japan. I simply rebutted your anecdote with actual, you know, data.
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