Did he admit that? Because the man on that video in which he allegedly admitted such had noticeably different facial characteristics than Bin Laden in previous videos. To me, the differences are very obvious.

Has anyone ever produced any direct, CREDIBLE evidence linking Bin Laden to 9/11? I'm not saying the U.S. planned the attacks by the way - all I'm asking for is evidence that Bin Laden planned it and was the leader of the cell.

So we have the right to invade any nation state in our search for him? And we have the right to kill as many innocent civilians as necessary?

If the police killed 100 people every time they tried to get to one murder suspect, how long do you think they'd keep their jobs? Now, of course you're going to start crying and claim "but international war is different"...blah, blah, blah. It's not different to the families of the innocent people who are killed by U.S. bombs and U.S. soldiers. Of course, you could care less about these people. You must have your vengeance - and to hell with any innocent women or children who get in the way of your blood thirst.



We should have never been giving Mr. Bin Laden any help in the form of weapons. The U.S. created yet another Frankenstein's monster. The CIA created Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. I've already given the details on that.

The Soviets could not have maintained an occupation there regardless. Any communist state is destined to collapse because of the inferior economic system. And war is a great stress on an economy. It was simply cold war paranoia on the part of the U.S. - and it was an incredibly stupid paranoia as a war between the U.S. and U.S.S.R. would have ended with both countries being destroyed.

It's not just Bin Laden. Millions of Muslims don't want us there. And one need not be elected to be seen as a leader with a voice.

And those leaders are corrupt and evil - as I describe in detail here. Their own people hate them. They have no legitimate authority either.

Your "ideas" are completely foolish - and anyone can hear them by listening to Rush Limbaugh on any day of the week. All that proves is that you're thinking like a pill head.

He does have animosity towards them. He just can't do anything about it because those leaders are TYRANTS and we are giving them billions of dollars to supress any dissent from their people.

I fully admit that the Arabs should try and pursue peaceful means. However, the leaders of our "allied countries" in the Middle East are even more apt to violence than the U.S. And the U.S. has said they want Bin Laden "dead or alive." It's not like he has the option of negotiating with those governments now. The U.S. has made its declaration that he is a terrorist - and any government who would negotiate with him at this point would be denounced as sympathizing with terrorists.

He took up a crusade because that is his religious belief. I don't agree with it - but he is citing specific reasons as to why he deems it a crusade. He did later offer a truce - again, with specific requests. And again, the U.S. ignores it and continues its involvement in the region.

You fault Bin Laden for not communicating with national leaders - yet he has tried to communicate - and was ignored.

And the Jews used religion - Zionism - to claim that land when the majority of Arabs in the region voted against the U.N. partition plan. They incited the majority against them - and their religious desire to have that land is what has sparked the conflict in the region.

On the contrary, you must try to mischaracterize my position because you cannot handle the truth. Both sides are wrong in this conflict. Bin Laden is not a hero. He is a criminal. But he is a criminal THAT THE U.S. CREATED. And the U.S. could easily end the conflict by leaving the region, but it will not do so - I believe for reasons of ego and arrogance - and a quest to flex an imperial muscle. What your side will NEVER admit is that the U.S. is not blameless in all of this.

That wasn't worth 1 cent.

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"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." - Schopenhauer

Stop whining, and bring me Osama's head on a platter!!!

Morons....

Now we have hit the nerve of the pin heads point of view,
and I will show you how I got there.

For this, you will have to step back, and look at it as a
pin head looks at it. When asked who caused 9/11
you can name anyone in the world, the pin head
jumps up and says No, No, NO you got it all wrong
damit, So if I say ummmm, My sister did it, the pin heads
say, "where does she live" I say ummm America, the
pin heads say "YES, Yes, yes" but to be completely honest
here we must really make the pin heads happier and go
right up to the top and say BUSH, ohhhhhhhhh, yes.

And this does not even take into account how many films
or tapes have been released now by Mr Bin Laden, the
pin heads just can not accept that an American had nothing
to do with 9/11, unless you want to stretch everything and
say it's our fault because we are infidels.

Because when it comes to their own government, or the
United states government, "NOTHING IS AS IT SEEMS"
So the tapes was given to Mr David Copperfield so he could
pull his magical art of deception on them before we show
the world the tapes.

Hell, we might as well say that the holocaust was faked too
and all those films are not real, that even my dad who had
to help clean up those piles of broken body's was in on the
whole deception.

Yeah, when it comes to America, there is nothing they can't
fake, they even do what ever the Zionist Jews want, and hide
alien flying saucers from us all too.

yep folks, the pin heads live in some other world, a world we
call paranoia, because if it's not paranoia then it has to be
fake, because nothing real can be trusted.

So here I am on a forum, trying to have an intellectual debate
and in rushes the pin heads to inform me that "NOTHING IS AS IT SEEMS" after all, their just trying to save me from reality!

But, we all know what reality is, we know we have to pay our tax's
we know that you can unscrew a light bulb but you can't unscrew
a pregnant lady, and we also know that pin heads are real.


Hell, I suppose if given the idea, the pin heads would try to
convince me that this forum is not real, and that it's all a Bush
illusion.

Well, all I can say to the pin heads is, please, please for your
own sake, please come out of the Bush's and come back to
reality. (Pun intended on the Bush's)

Now when I was a teen, by dad told me that Europeans were
pin heads, and that a day would come, when My children
would have to go and save these pin heads again, and that
we could not really boast to much, because we have our own
pin heads. But that Europe was the Pin Head capital of the
world.

Now I know this as fact, because I have 2 bothers who, while
stationed in Germany got married to some German women
who by the way, don't believe the holocaust ever happened.
in fact, you can hear once in a while my brothers screaming
that their own kids where "pin heads".

And yes, I admit that America has it's own pin heads, these
people are the ones what have formed groups like
"Pin Heads against the war" or "The pin head truth movement"
or have websites like "www.thepinheadsmoveon.org"
and they watch TV shows like "CNN for pin heads" and they
also push the slogans like:
"Cast your pin head vote for pin head Clinton in 08"

Also I heard on the grapevine that a new party was forming
called the "pinheadcrats". after all pin heads are people too,
and need to be represented as well.

And if your not sure if your a pin head or not, read on:

If you think America is always at fault, you just might be a pin head.

if you watch networks like CNN, CBS,MSNBC,ABC,ECT,you
just might be a pin head.

if you find yourself in a bar and hear someone order a BUSH
beer, and you go crazy, you just might be a pin head.

if you always get caught braking into a voting station,(because
you fear someone was changing your vote) you just might be
a pin head.

if you consider yourself a democrat, you are a pin head.

if your from Europe, then you were born a pin head.

Anyways, America does have a pin head problem, but only
you can prevent a pin head from happening.

Just my 2 cents.

.

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The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.
Thomas Jefferson

OSAMA! THAT'S IT, OSAMA! Get that dude outta the cave now, and all the bad will go away no iraq no $8000000 trillion dollars to Haliburton no wiretaps no robots steeling my socks no black helicopters the NSA will stop reading my junk mail ITS BUSH ITS BUSH Whazzat over in the BUSHES??!! IT'S BUSH!!!!! No, it's just a bush Where was I?? Oh yeah, helicopters ignoring osama black ones it's those christians with their morals and wiretaps

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Blade: "more educated and literate people than Justabubba"

Justabubba: "that would include everyone"

http://politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=27847

Ba-da-boom.... SCORE!!!!

Three points from the outside....

Only, like, you know, I don't "brake" when I get near the voting booth, I just kinda keep going, I mean, that way I'm guaranteed no one will find out how I voted....

LOL. You do realize your own point of view, that's good... A mind is a terrible thing to waste...

Actually, you don't show us anything. You failed to address any of my points. Again, if I want to hear your point of view, all I have to do is turn on Limbaugh, Hannity, or any other Neoconservative commentator. It's all the same. You constantly ridicule and insult people - where are the enforcement rules here by the way??? - and that is the gist of your argument.

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"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." - Schopenhauer

There is a lot of immature banter and name-calling on this forum in lieu of reasoned discussion.

Perosnally, I can't stand the fact that so many categorize themselves as Democrat / Republican and absolutely won't listen a sound argument proposed from some one from "the other side".

It's all a sham aimed at dividing us and keeping us from joining together as citizens and fighting for the things that really matter. Let's face it - most of our "representatives" on both sides of the aisle, don't give a (*)(*)(*)(*) about us.

Democrats, Republicans = Corporatists

Until the people realize this, then the status quo will continue.
If you keep doing the same things, you keep getting the same results.

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"Educate and inform the whole mass of the people... They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty."
- Thomas Jefferson

Look to the libs here - a high percentage of the posts here are crackpot anti-Bush rants.

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Blade: "more educated and literate people than Justabubba"

Justabubba: "that would include everyone"

http://politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=27847

"we are decisively determined finally to get rid of the Jewish danger-- no state, no political existence, no immigration, and nothing whatsoever."

-Palestinian Commission, April 2nd, 1948

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“Good leaders abhor wrongdoing of all kinds; sound leadership has a moral foundation.”

-Proverbs 16:12

Dang Blade, you've got the worst "logic" I've ever heard.....

Let me draw the correct relationships for you:

crackpot - n. - anyone who doesn't realize that Bushie is a moron....

anti-Bush - adj. - [i]syn.[i] sane, reasonable, and incontrovertibly accurate.

Your belief system is very strange, very strange indeed.

It's almost like it starts with the idea that "Bush can do no wrong".