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    Quote Originally Posted by reedak View Post
    No wonder you enjoy watching "human firework" and delight in seeing people committing suicide, because you have no belief in religion, Heaven and Hell. One fine day you will the chance to find out whether Hades (Hell) is a fairy tale.
    Again, so you don't want to talk about why he lit himself on fire huh?

    How convenient for you?


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    Quote Originally Posted by pimptight View Post
    Again, so you don't want to talk about why he lit himself on fire huh?

    How convenient for you?
    If the guy in the photo is drinking urine, are you going to ask him for the reason? If he still insists on his stupid act, are you going to stop him by force?

    I have to bring your attention to the following statement in my previous post:

    It is similar for those Tibetans, who faithfully followed the orders of the Lama and his unofficial young extremist successor in committing the stupid act of suicide.

    If my answer cannot satisfy you, you will have to go all the way to get the answer directly from those stupid faithful followers of the two criminals, and tell their answer to me later. (Perhaps in 90 years' time when it's time for me to pay you a visit?)
    "The Palestinian/Israeli issue (more accurately, the conflict between Jews and Muslims) could never be resolved permanently." -- reedak

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    Quote Originally Posted by reedak View Post
    If the guy in the photo is drinking urine, are you going to ask him for the reason? If he still insists on his stupid act, are you going to stop him by force?

    I have to bring your attention to the following statement in my previous post:

    It is similar for those Tibetans, who faithfully followed the orders of the Lama and his unofficial young extremist successor in committing the stupid act of suicide.

    If my answer cannot satisfy you, you will have to go all the way to get the answer directly from those stupid faithful followers of the two criminals, and tell their answer to me later. (Perhaps in 90 years' time when it's time for me to pay you a visit?)
    You know the Chinese government, you know the guys who pay you to post on the internet?

    If anyone is going to burn in hell, they will be at the front of the line along with the US government, Isreali, Turkish, Russian, Suadi...ect.!

    Evil, evil, SOB's the lot of them!

    You keep up the good fight though defending these murderer's of children!
    Last edited by pimptight; Nov 13 2012 at 06:21 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pimptight View Post
    You know the Chinese government, you know the guys who pay you to post on the internet?.....
    I'm still as poor as a beggar because "the guys" of your wild imagination have yet to be born into this world to pay me for my posts.

    Quote Originally Posted by pimptight View Post
    .....If anyone is going to burn in hell, they will be at the front of the line along with the US government, Isreali, Turkish, Russian, Suadi...ect.!

    Evil, evil, SOB's the lot of them!.....
    Tiger Tiger. burning bright,
    In the forests of the night;
    What immortal hand or eye.
    Could frame thy fearful symmetry?

    In what distant deeps or skies.
    Burnt the fire of thine eyes?
    On what wings dare he aspire?
    What the hand, dare seize the fire?

    And what shoulder, & what art,
    Could twist the sinews of thy heart?
    And when thy heart began to beat.
    What dread hand? & what dread feet?

    What the hammer? what the chain,
    In what furnace was thy brain?
    What the anvil? what dread grasp.
    Dare its deadly terrors clasp?

    When the stars threw down their spears
    And watered heaven with their tears:
    Did he smile His work to see?
    Did he who made the lamb make thee?

    Tiger Tiger burning bright,
    In the forests of the night:
    What immortal hand or eye,
    Dare frame thy fearful symmetry?

    The Tiger poem - William Blake
    http://www.love-poems.me.uk/blake_the_tiger.htm

    Quote Originally Posted by pimptight View Post
    .....You keep up the good fight though defending these murderer's of children!
    You are partially right in saying that I "keep up the good fight" because I enjoy myself wandering like a knight-errant in pursuit of chivalry and social justice under the zest of patriotism and common humanity, and riding into the sunset of the virtual world after a "knightly duel" with a misguided opponent like you.

    "The Bible view equates suicide as equal to murder, sure self-murder but still murder. God is the One who decides when and how a person should die and damaging the body, the temple of the Holy Spirit, by suicide is viewed by God very severely."

    "If an unsaved person commits suicide, he has done nothing but “expedite” his journey to Hell for he is condemned already for not accepting Christ’s salvation..."

    Please refer to the article headlined "SUICIDE" at http://www.albatrus.org/english/livi...th/suicide.htm

    As suicide is a crime in the eyes of God, it must never be encouraged but condemned internationally. Unlike the racist burning of innocent lives by the Ku Klux Klan in the US, those foolish followers of the Lama and his unofficial young extremist successor were not burned to death by anybody but themselves.

    Hence don't confuse yourself and others by blaming their death on the Chinese authorities. They were murdered by nobody but themselves.

    "Let's ride into the sunset together
    Stirrup to stirrup, side by side
    When the day is through, I'll be here with you
    Into the sunset we will ride"

    —Lost Weekend Western Swing Band, "Let's ride into the sunset together"

    Knight-errant
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knight-errant

    Riding into the Sunset
    http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph...gIntoTheSunset
    Last edited by reedak; Nov 13 2012 at 10:38 PM.
    "The Palestinian/Israeli issue (more accurately, the conflict between Jews and Muslims) could never be resolved permanently." -- reedak

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    Quote Originally Posted by reedak View Post
    I'm still as poor as a beggar because "the guys" of your wild imagination have yet to be born into this world to pay me for my posts.






    You are partially right in saying that I "keep up the good fight" because I enjoy myself wandering like a knight-errant in pursuit of chivalry and social justice under the zest of patriotism and common humanity, and riding into the sunset of the virtual world after a "knightly duel" with a misguided opponent like you.


    As suicide is a crime in the eyes of God, it must never be encouraged but condemned internationally. Unlike the racist burning of innocent lives by the Ku Klux Klan in the US, those foolish followers of the Lama and his unofficial young extremist successor were not burned to death by anybody but themselves.

    Hence don't confuse yourself and others by blaming their death on the Chinese authorities. They were murdered by nobody but themselves.

    "Let's ride into the sunset together
    Stirrup to stirrup, side by side
    When the day is through, I'll be here with you
    Into the sunset we will ride"

    —Lost Weekend Western Swing Band, "Let's ride into the sunset together"

    Knight-errant
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knight-errant

    Riding into the Sunset
    http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph...gIntoTheSunset
    Chinese Invasion and Dominance

    In 1949 the People's Republic of China began invading, occupying, and colonizing Tibet. China entered into
    Buddhist monks await the recitation of the Kalachakra Readings by the 14th Dalai Lama, Tenzin Gyatso, in Sarnath, India. Gyatso fled Tibet in 1959 when Chinas mounting oppression of indigenous groups threatened his safety; he was awarded the No
    Buddhist monks await the recitation of the Kalachakra Readings by the 14th Dalai Lama, Tenzin Gyatso, in Sarnath, India. Gyatso fled Tibet in 1959 when China's mounting oppression of indigenous groups threatened his safety; he was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 1989 for his nonviolent efforts to end Chinese rule there. [ALISON WRIGHT/CORBIS]
    Tibet immediately after the communist victory over the Chinese Nationalists, imposed a treaty of "liberation" on the Tibetans, militarily occupied Tibet's territory, and divided that territory into twelve administrative units. It forcibly repressed Tibetan resistance between 1956 and 1959 and annexed Tibet in 1965. Since then it has engaged in massive colonization of all parts of Tibet. For its part, China claims that Tibet has always been a part of China, that a Tibetan person is a type of Chinese person, and that, therefore, all of the above is an internal affair of the Chinese people. The Chinese government has thus sought to overcome the geographical difference with industrial technology, erase and rewrite Tibet's history, destroy Tibet's language, suppress the culture, eradicate the religion (a priority of communist ideology in general), and replace the Tibetan people with Chinese people.

    In China itself, communist leader Mao Zedong's policies caused the death of as many as 60 million Chinese people by war, famine, class struggle, and forced labor in thought-reform labor camps. As many as 1.2 million deaths in Tibet resulted from the same policies, as well as lethal agricultural mismanagement, collectivization, class struggle, cultural destruction, and forced sterilization. However, in the case of Tibet, the special long-term imperative of attempting to remove evidence against and provide justification for the Chinese claim of long-term ownership of the land, its resources, and its people gave these policies an additional edge.

    The process of the Chinese takeover since 1949 unfolded in several stages. The first phase of invasion by military force, from 1949 to 1951, led to the imposition of a seventeen-point agreement for the liberation of Tibet and the military takeover of Lhasa. Second, the Chinese military rulers pretended to show support for the existing "local" Tibetan government and culture, from 1951 through 1959, but with gradual infiltration of greater numbers of troops and communist cadres into Tibet. A third phase from 1959 involved violent suppression of government and culture, mass arrests, and formation of a vast network of labor camps, with outright annexation of the whole country from 1959 through 1966. Fourth, violent cultural revolution, from 1966 through 1976, destroyed the remaining monasteries and monuments, killed those resisting the destruction of the "four olds," and sought to eradicate all traces of Tibetan Buddhist culture. A fifth phase of temporary liberalization under Hu Yao Bang was quickly reversed by Chinese leader Deng Xiaoping and led to a mass influx of settlers beginning in the early 1980s. Martial law and renewed suppression took place between 1987 and 1993, with intensified population transfer of Chinese settlers. Finally, from 1993, direct orders of the aging Chinese leadership placed Tibet under the control of an aggressive administrator named Chen Kuei Yuan. Chen proclaimed that the Tibetan identity had to be eradicated in order for remaining Tibetans to develop a Chinese identity. Since Tibetan identity was tied up with Tibetan Buddhism, Tibetan Buddhist culture was in itself seditious, or "splittist," as the Chinese call it.

    Chen also was able to use China's growing economic power to invest heavily in internal projects in Tibet, bring in millions more colonists, and he extracted unprecedented amounts of timber, herbs, and minerals from the land. He also toughened up the policies of the People's Liberation Army and the Public Security Bureau.

    In 1960 the nongovernmental International Commission of Jurists (ICJ) gave a report titled Tibet and the Chinese People's Republic to the United Nations. The report was prepared by the ICJ's Legal Inquiry Committee, composed of eleven international lawyers from around the world. This report accused the Chinese of the crime of genocide in Tibet, after nine years of full occupation, six years before the devastation of the cultural revolution began. The Commission was careful to state that the "genocide" was directed against the Tibetans as a religious group, rather than a racial, "ethnical," or national group.

    The report's conclusions reflect the uncertainty felt at that time about Tibetans being a distinct race, ethnicity, or nation. The Commission did state that it considered Tibet a de facto independent state at least from 1913 until 1950. However, the Chinese themselves perceive the Tibetans in terms of race, ethnicity, and even nation. In the Chinese constitution, "national minorities" have certain protections on paper, and smaller minorities living in areas where ethnic Chinese constitute the vast majority of the population receive some of these protections.

    In the 2000s, many view the Chinese genocide in Tibet as the result of the territorial ambitions of the PRC leadership. It is seen as stemming from their systematic attempt to expand the traditional territory of China by annexing permanently the vast, approximately 900,000-square-mile territory of traditional Tibet. Tibet represents about 30 percent of China's land surface, while the Tibetans represent .004 percent of China's population. Tibetans were not a minority but an absolute majority in their own historical environment. Chinese government efforts can be seen as aiming at securing permanent control of the Tibetans' land. For this reason, some observers see genocide in Tibet as not merely referring to the matter of religion, that is, of destroying Tibetan Buddhism. Chinese policies have involved the extermination of more than 1 million Tibetans, the forced relocation of millions of Tibetan villagers and nomads, the population transfer of millions of Chinese settlers, and systematic assimilation.
    The Dalai Lama

    A Tibetan government in exile exists under the leadership of the Dalai Lama in India and Nepal. During the cold war years, the Dalai Lama avoided politics, but tried to work with the Chinese occupiers from 1951 until 1959. He left Tibet to bring the Tibetan genocide to the world's attention. In the early 1980s, he tried to negotiate with Deng Xiaoping and succeeded in sending several fact-finding missions to Tibet. In the meantime, the exile government has worked to preserve the seeds of Tibetan culture and society.

    In 1989 the Dalai Lama received the Nobel Peace Prize for his travels around the world to spread the Buddhist message of peace and reconciliation. He has informed the general public of many countries about the Tibetan struggle. His overall policy of nonviolence has been followed by most Tibetans. Despite the historical record, the Dalai Lama calls for dialogue and reconciliation. He has publicly offered to Beijing to lead a plebiscite and campaign to persuade his people to join the Chinese union in a voluntary and legal manner, under a "one country, two systems" formula, as in the cases of Hong Kong and Macao under the following circumstances: (1) all the high-plateau provinces are reunited in a natural Tibet Autonomous Region; (2) Tibet is allowed to govern itself democratically with true autonomy over internal matters; (3) Tibet is demilitarized except for essential border garrisons; and (4) the environment is respected and economic development controlled by the Tibetans themselves.

    There were renewed discussions over Tibet starting in 2002 and several delegations made visits to the region.
    http://www.enotes.com/tibet-reference/tibet

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    Quote Originally Posted by pimptight View Post
    Chinese Invasion and Dominance......
    Why focus only on "Chinese invasion and dominance"? Taking the Bible as a guide, human society began from the individual (Adam), progressed to a couple (Adam and Eve), and expanded to a family, a tribe, a village, a town, a city, a province and finally to a country. This country would expand or contract or even disappear from the surface of the world, depending on its fortunes in wars, invasions, pestilence, famines, man-made disasters, natural calamities, etc.

    If you could name a dozen major countries that are over 200 years old but have never engaged in any invasion and dominance, I will never again say a single word on your act of littering the forum with your favourite gore picture.
    "The Palestinian/Israeli issue (more accurately, the conflict between Jews and Muslims) could never be resolved permanently." -- reedak

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    Quote Originally Posted by reedak View Post
    Why focus only on "Chinese invasion and dominance"? Taking the Bible as a guide, human society began from the individual (Adam), progressed to a couple (Adam and Eve), and expanded to a family, a tribe, a village, a town, a city, a province and finally to a country. This country would expand or contract or even disappear from the surface of the world, depending on its fortunes in wars, invasions, pestilence, famines, man-made disasters, natural calamities, etc.

    If you could name a dozen major countries that are over 200 years old but have never engaged in any invasion and dominance, I will never again say a single word on your act of littering the forum with your favourite gore picture.
    Moral relativism!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pimptight View Post
    Moral relativism!!
    It is ironical that you have been practising moral relativism all this while even though you accuse others of embracing it.

    For instance, on the one hand you accuse the Chinese government of violating the right of the Tibetans to live as humans, but on the other hand you permit and encourage the Tibetans to violate their own right to live as humans by killing themselves in an inhuman way with fire.

    In short, you permit and encourage suicide even though you preach human value.

    Following are excerpts from the article headlined "Moral Relativism" at http://www.life.org.nz/euthanasia/eu...al-relativism/

    "If there is no Creator - no God - then humans have no intrinsic value for simply 'being.' If, as humans we have no true or sacred value, then suicide, abortion, infanticide and euthanasia are logically permissable."
    Last edited by reedak; Nov 15 2012 at 02:07 PM.
    "The Palestinian/Israeli issue (more accurately, the conflict between Jews and Muslims) could never be resolved permanently." -- reedak

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    Go China...screw Tibetans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    Go China...screw Tibetans.
    Go pimp...screw tight.
    "The Palestinian/Israeli issue (more accurately, the conflict between Jews and Muslims) could never be resolved permanently." -- reedak

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