Recently CNN/AP reported that China has once again proven themselves to be actively seeking intellegence on the United States and other Western Countries using their position of trust as a MFN trader in the world market.

How, you might ask?

By programing devices made in that country to spy on your home computer. Capturing key strokes, passwords, account numbers, credit cards, and other intellegence. Some of the devices found to have contained these malicious codes are Apple iPods and Didgital Picture Frames.

Anyone with better intell on this issue, I would like to invite you to provide those details to this thread.

Personally, I am not fooled. I don't think China is our friend. I think China would benefit if the United States was relegated to the ash-heap of history and I think they are positioning themselves to expand their power and influence in the world, not to benefit other societies, but to dominate them.

I think that as long as the United States is Economically Strong, they can't move. But if we were weak to the point of being ineffective to stop them, they would most certainly expand their boarders.

The other component to this thread: I am looking for concrete examples of how China might benefit from a weak U.S. Why do they seek our destruction? What other tools are available to them?

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"I know no method to secure the repeal of bad or obnoxious laws so effective as their stringent execution." March 4, 1869, Grant's First Inaugural Address

It's not a foregone conclusion that US/China relationship will go south, plus I don't think they do seek our destruction. However, eventually they will expect to be treated as an equal partner. That or we kill each other. I prefer the former.


Anyhooo China is an ancient conservative culture that has changed very slowy.. and they've managed to live with most of earth without causing too much trouble. I don't see why they'd go apesh8t all of a sudden.

China is showing its hand by consistantly violating human rights in their own country. What makes you think they are going to treat outsiders with greater respect?

Chinese human rights violations>>> <Bad Chee>

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"I know no method to secure the repeal of bad or obnoxious laws so effective as their stringent execution." March 4, 1869, Grant's First Inaugural Address

Do you have any work or live experience in China ?
Because if not , I think you really need it.
Maybe China now is not a mature and perfect society , but feeding the biggest polulation and leads them to rich are not bis successes?
I do think the base of the rights violation is "People should live".
You guys always think India is a more demoratic country, but if you google it ,you can easily find tons of story that will shock you.
Just be more patient , there's a long way China have to go.
Roma is not built in one day, isn't that what the old saying tells?
Yes , I 'm chinese .

Yes

Not really.

What?

What what?

Who said anything about India? Are you saying because India is very well known for human rights violations, that we should ignore China? LOL That's funny.

So we should let them kill and imprison people based on their religion in the name of being patient?

神 爱 世 人 ， 甚 至 将 他 的 独 生 子 赐 给 他 们 ， 叫 一 切 信 他 的 ， 不 至 灭 亡 ， 反 得 永 生 。

是 高 处 的 ， 是 低 处 的 ， 是 别 的 受 造 之 物 ， 都 不 能 叫 我 们 与 神 的 爱 隔 绝 。 这 爱 是 在 我 们 的 主 基 督 耶 稣 里 的 。

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"I know no method to secure the repeal of bad or obnoxious laws so effective as their stringent execution." March 4, 1869, Grant's First Inaugural Address

Where did you get that China gov "kill and imprison people based on their religion"?
In fact ,we can have faith in any religion except the evil religion.
From my point , the gov even protects the religional people too well that ordinary people could feel been treated unfairly. Actually in Tebit , that's what most of the Han people feel.

I'm sorry about my poor english ,cause you input so many "what",seemed confused by my last post.