Thread: Australian politicians need to be replaced.

Originally Posted by culldav

Firstly; you have a duel USSR & Aboriginal flag listed on your profile, but you state: “…as a proud Asian myself”. Contradiction in terms don’t you think?

Secondly; may I suggest some English classes at TAFE.

Thirdly; I am not an indigenous Australian. I am fifth generational Australian, and very proud of it. Unlike some individuals, I consider Australia to be my country and my home, and not just my adopted country or just a place to live for the time being like some many other foreign inhabitants do.

Personally, I don’t give a “rats hairy crack” about what Indonesia or the rest of the clod throwers think about me or what I say. I have travelled extensively, and I know for a positive fact that our so-called close neighbours are just using us, and if Australians were not giving them “hand-outs” in free financial aid, they would want nothing to do with us.

In retrospect what do that say about them, and what do that say about us - nothing to do with bloody friendship or that politician introduced catch-phrase called multiculturalism. Its called let anyone came here because we need to increase our population.

Our Asian neighbours are laughing their heads off, because they know they are killing us competitively with cheap human labour. They also know realise and comprehend that within a decade or two, ( say in 2020) their workers will be on living standards & salaries comparable with what Australian workers are on now in (2011).

There will be just two big killer blows when this happens: Australia will be forced to import everything at prices comparable to the same as if Australians were able to manufacture it themselves, but unfortunately by then, Australians will have lost the knowledge and technology to produce and manufacture almost everything. In 2020, Australia will be lucky if it has the intellectual capacity to manufacture a cotton bud.

These so-called Asian friends of ours are just waiting silently for all manufacturing and knowledge to leave Australia so they can pounce. I suppose the Aboriginal people will be able to have a good laugh and point the finger and say: “what goes around, comes around”.

firstly open a Atlas ,as I was born in Newcastle NSW i am Asian Born ,so the Anzas treaty is an outrage to we Asians of Australasian birth ,

Secondly,the aboriginal flag is the flag of this place .right of occupation I reckon ,and as far as land rights is concerned it should extinguish crown title for starters .All Australsians no longer recognise the claims of the English Crown .

how much of this mythical Australia do you own exactly ,after 5 generations how much do you actually own again?????????

oh thats right even if you own 100 000 hectares the crown still OWNS it ,thats right nong dong the queen of engtland has more property right then any Australian in Australia.

if your local CSG Company wants to pump gas out of your backyard well guess what YOU CANNOT STOP THEM ,"your "government says so.

And as far as the USSR is concerned ,well your penal Colony of England hasn't yet to achieve the INDEPENDENT REPUBLIC STATUS.Crickey even the USA did that 200 odd years ago.

Gee ,when the nation of Ausstraalliiaa,passes into the dustbin of history wow who will notice !

you reckon the government will pay compensation for the forced covict unpaid Labour of my Covict forebares European side 1813,5th generation .that Hates everything Australian even the identity they gave him.


Drongo ,understand that the Australia that you think is in existance as an economy is already intergrated into Global economy,Does the australian national economy exist anymore except in the minds of the Uneducated ,NO IT DOES NOT .

Sorry to inform you but that thing that is the Political identity called Australia {GOVERNMENT}has no National sovereignty of anything ,the foreign policy of the australian government is done in the USA 's National intrests .The mining Industry is geared [i choose mining as the only profitable industry in Australia ,other then arigculture of course ]to China and Japans Intrests and Gina Rhinehart Capitialist Pig types ,Rupert Murdoch and co.

You should embrace the new muti-cultural form of Racism its much more polite and politically correct to your white australian form of Racism .Was your grandad a member of the New Guard Facists BTW?

but what takes the cake is you actually think that you own Australia ,ludicrous ,delusion of a grand Nature ,is your Name Packer ,queen Elizabeth ,rupert Murdoch or the US State department.WHICH?

Next you spew forth that Australia is a Idependent constitutional Monarchy .

Originally Posted by culldav

Thirdly; I am not an indigenous Australian. I am fifth generational Australian, and very proud of it. Unlike some individuals, I consider Australia to be my country and my home, and not just my adopted country or just a place to live for the time being like some many other foreign inhabitants do.

Personally, I don’t give a “rats hairy crack” about what Indonesia or the rest of the clod throwers think about me or what I say. I have travelled extensively, and I know for a positive fact that our so-called close neighbours are just using us, and if Australians were not giving them “hand-outs” in free financial aid, they would want nothing to do with us.

In retrospect what do that say about them, and what do that say about us - nothing to do with bloody friendship or that politician introduced catch-phrase called multiculturalism. Its called let anyone came here because we need to increase our population.

Our Asian neighbours are laughing their heads off, because they know they are killing us competitively with cheap human labour. They also know realise and comprehend that within a decade or two, ( say in 2020) their workers will be on living standards & salaries comparable with what Australian workers are on now in (2011).

There will be just two big killer blows when this happens: Australia will be forced to import everything at prices comparable to the same as if Australians were able to manufacture it themselves, but unfortunately by then, Australians will have lost the knowledge and technology to produce and manufacture almost everything. In 2020, Australia will be lucky if it has the intellectual capacity to manufacture a cotton bud.

These so-called Asian friends of ours are just waiting silently for all manufacturing and knowledge to leave Australia so they can pounce. I suppose the Aboriginal people will be able to have a good laugh and point the finger and say: “what goes around, comes around”.

LOL!

Ok, now he's ranting about immigration.

The manufacturing sector in Australia employs over a million people. No, it's not going to be lost in 8 years. No, we're not going to forget how to make everything in 8 years. What utter rubbish.

And you know what? I'm wearing jeans made in Australia right now, are you?

And oh my god, a "decade or two" isn't 8 years and it's 2012 not 2011!

Indonesia is going to have the same living standards, working coniditions and labour wages as Australia by 2020, you heard it here first folks!

"Traveled extensively", oh wow, amazing. Those two words give you such an informed world view. If that is even true, it just goes to show that you apparently can travel and not learn ANYTHING about the world.

Oh yes, international trade agreements, foreign relations, co-operative policing and security, works in terms of "friendship" and goodwill, not dollars and cents. What an amazing insight.

Australia GDP per capita: 66,984

Indonesia: 3,469

Yes they're really exploiting us because we give them about 0.15% of the federal budget to largely promote our own interests. Those darned crafty Indonesians!

Originally Posted by philxx

firstly open a Atlas ,as I was born in Newcastle NSW i am Asian Born ,so the Anzas treaty is an outrage to we Asians of Australasian birth ,

Secondly,the aboriginal flag is the flag of this place .right of occupation I reckon ,and as far as land rights is concerned it should extinguish crown title for starters .All Australsians no longer recognise the claims of the English Crown .

how much of this mythical Australia do you own exactly ,after 5 generations how much do you actually own again?????????

oh thats right even if you own 100 000 hectares the crown still OWNS it ,thats right nong dong the queen of engtland has more property right then any Australian in Australia.

if your local CSG Company wants to pump gas out of your backyard well guess what YOU CANNOT STOP THEM ,"your "government says so.

And as far as the USSR is concerned ,well your penal Colony of England hasn't yet to achieve the INDEPENDENT REPUBLIC STATUS.Crickey even the USA did that 200 odd years ago.

Gee ,when the nation of Ausstraalliiaa,passes into the dustbin of history wow who will notice !

you reckon the government will pay compensation for the forced covict unpaid Labour of my Covict forebares European side 1813,5th generation .that Hates everything Australian even the identity they gave him.


Drongo ,understand that the Australia that you think is in existance as an economy is already intergrated into Global economy,Does the australian national economy exist anymore except in the minds of the Uneducated ,NO IT DOES NOT .

Sorry to inform you but that thing that is the Political identity called Australia {GOVERNMENT}has no National sovereignty of anything ,the foreign policy of the australian government is done in the USA 's National intrests .The mining Industry is geared [i choose mining as the only profitable industry in Australia ,other then arigculture of course ]to China and Japans Intrests and Gina Rhinehart Capitialist Pig types ,Rupert Murdoch and co.

You should embrace the new muti-cultural form of Racism its much more polite and politically correct to your white australian form of Racism .Was your grandad a member of the New Guard Facists BTW?

but what takes the cake is you actually think that you own Australia ,ludicrous ,delusion of a grand Nature ,is your Name Packer ,queen Elizabeth ,rupert Murdoch or the US State department.WHICH?

Next you spew forth that Australia is a Idependent constitutional Monarchy .

You were born in Newcastle NSW. I believe the flag allowed in a members profile identifies to members where that member originates from. May I ask why you have no listed the Australian flag in your profile considering you were born in Australia, but have listed the flags of the USSR & Aboriginal?

Even the wording in your general profile: “…AustralASIA, Southern Asia” is fanciful”.

If you want to debate me that great, but don’t tell lies to forward your own beliefs and agendas. No where in my posting #97 did I state that I thought I “owned” any part of Australia.

You never addressed any of the comments I made, and you seemed to have went on a tangent about Australia political Governing System. That is good, as it would take us back to debating the original post, but combining that with other topics such as my posting #97 would just get messy, and that’s what you did.

If you want to debate the original posting topic - go for it!!

Originally Posted by culldav

Mummy. Mummy. Mummy. Mummy. Where are you Mummy!

i think Bugs is being ironic ,as far as things go i get dobbed on regularly what is that ?

dobbing seems a Nationalist pastime in Australiiaa.particularly in the ALP of late ,sorry the" AP", as any defence of the working Class ended Looong agooooo,oh thats right bob Katters Australia Party may have copyright\wing on Australia Party .What is the DLP Grouper Gillard going to do ?

Look at it this way,now that the Social Reformist scum have collapsed as anything resembling a united Political Party ,and with the near inevitable Landslide victory for a Lib\Nat Government ,in the next Election .what happens when the working Class explodes against the government and No ALP anymore ,No ACTU anymore to control the Working Class .

Good riddence out of the working class ALP\ACTU,forward to a new Working Class political party .Actually its a recognition of the Only Working class Party worthy of the Name the SEP .

Burn the flag with Union Jacks top left hand corner ,Blue background appropiate means Ocean ,Sothern Cross appropiate means Sothern Hemisphere,Union Jack tottally INAPPROPIATE,represents colonial chains historic garbage of a Past Empires dream.

crickey,even the Americans got rid of the Union Jack ,EVEN the Canadians.As did the South Africans,Der its the 21st Century and this natural inhabitant of the Continent of Australasia,means South Asia.

Not an outpost of British or US Imperialism ,call the troops home for the War against Austerity that is looming .bloody heck,the next Government has to rule over increasing unemployment and a debacle of a retreat called Afghanistan ,as well as inflation and appreciating currency.

Personally don't think the Libs are up to it ,hey!

Here tony bigears ,here boy militant workers are ready Tony ,without the ALP \ACTU Capitialist Scab alliance on our backs.

Industrial Proletariet Watch this space.

Originally Posted by culldav

You were born in Newcastle NSW. I believe the flag allowed in a members profile identifies to members where that member originates from. May I ask why you have no listed the Australian flag in your profile considering you were born in Australia, but have listed the flags of the USSR & Aboriginal?

Even the wording in your general profile: “…AustralASIA, Southern Asia” is fanciful”.

If you want to debate me that great, but don’t tell lies to forward your own beliefs and agendas. No where in my posting #97 did I state that I thought I “owned” any part of Australia.

You never addressed any of the comments I made, and you seemed to have went on a tangent about Australia political Governing System. That is good, as it would take us back to debating the original post, but combining that with other topics such as my posting #97 would just get messy, and that’s what you did.

If you want to debate the original posting topic - go for it!!

"MY Country" implies ownership!

The Union Jack implies colonialism.

Last time i looked we live in Australasia geographically and culturally speaking ,trade between New Zealand ,Papua New Guinea and Australia predated all other Trading.

so even economically ,australasia predated and more accurately defines where we are ,austral = South BTW and Asia well I rest my case.bloody english naming things by continental geography again ,bloody british invention that South Asia definition.

Hey have you ever heard about the economic concept of Economies of scale the bigger the more efficent ,so wouldn't that mean the unification of the New zealand ,Papua New Guinea and Australian Economies be more Economically rational.Hey why stop their lets unify Asia as 1 economy of the socialist type.

Even if the European or american Capitialist nations held out momentarily the economic ,political and military ,as well as technologically advanced ,lets not forget JAPAN ,as well as the BY ABOLSUTELY MEGA existance of an economy encompassing 70% percent of human Labour power freed from Capitialism .

The USA and Europe would also be unified into a Globally Intergrated Socialst Economy by the Working Class,or we can try and plaster bandage corrupt bankrupt Capitialism,and wait for WW3.

gee a unified Asian socialist economy maybe we can call it USSA,United Socialist States of Asia.

or maybe thr USRA,United Socialist Republics of Asia.

which one do you like because what is for absolute certain Australia as a Nation stand alone economy is untenable .

Originally Posted by Ziggy Stardust

LOL!

Ok, now he's ranting about immigration.

The manufacturing sector in Australia employs over a million people. No, it's not going to be lost in 8 years. No, we're not going to forget how to make everything in 8 years. What utter rubbish.

And you know what? I'm wearing jeans made in Australia right now, are you?

And oh my god, a "decade or two" isn't 8 years and it's 2012 not 2011!

Indonesia is going to have the same living standards, working coniditions and labour wages as Australia by 2020, you heard it here first folks!

"Traveled extensively", oh wow, amazing. Those two words give you such an informed world view. If that is even true, it just goes to show that you apparently can travel and not learn ANYTHING about the world.

Oh yes, international trade agreements, foreign relations, co-operative policing and security, works in terms of "friendship" and goodwill, not dollars and cents. What an amazing insight.

Australia GDP per capita: 66,984

Indonesia: 3,469

Yes they're really exploiting us because we give them about 0.15% of the federal budget to largely promote our own interests. Those darned crafty Indonesians!

Who made the specific reference to Indonesia besides yourself…? Jump the gun old fella??

To suggest all Asian countries are doomed to always live in third world standards and never able to rise to a living standard comparable to where Australians are today just makes you sound pompous and ignorant.

Originally Posted by philxx

"MY Country" implies ownership!

The Union Jack implies colonialism.

I agree with the Union Jack Symbolising colonisation. The English did not come to Australia to pick wild flowers and have a bloody picnic - they came to conquer in one form or another.

Being born here, I classify Australia as my country, but I also have the intellect to comprehend that I don't own any inanimate object like dirt in this country.

Originally Posted by culldav

Who made the specific reference to Indonesia besides yourself…? Jump the gun old fella??

To suggest all Asian countries are doomed to always live in third world standards and never able to rise to a living standard comparable to where Australians are today just makes you sound pompous and ignorant.

Oh I'm sorry, is this not a specific enough reference to Indonesia for you:

Personally, I don’t give a “rats hairy crack” about what Indonesia or the rest of the clod throwers think about me or what I say. I have travelled extensively, and I know for a positive fact that our so-called close neighbours are just using us, and if Australians were not giving them “hand-outs” in free financial aid, they would want nothing to do with us.

But OK, so you don't think Indonesia is going to be equal to Australia in pay and working conditions in 8 years. You think all of Asia will be!

Straw man alert! I never suggested anything of the sort. I "suggest" that it will take longer than 8 years!

And even when they do, I "suggest" that Australia will still have a manufacturing industry!

Originally Posted by Ziggy Stardust

Oh I'm sorry, is this not a specific enough reference to Indonesia for you:



But OK, so you don't think Indonesia is going to be equal to Australia in pay and working conditions in 8 years. You think all of Asia will be!

Straw man alert! I never suggested anything of the sort. I "suggest" that it will take longer than 8 years!

And even when they do, I "suggest" that Australia will still have a manufacturing industry!

yeah you tell him the lie that the Industrial Working Class will disappear is stupidity itself ,who the hell does he think makes ,fits ,moves .repairs and Manufactures everything ?

No industrial workers no nothin not even coal and iron ore ,we should drop the working week to 10 hours a week for 40 hours pay and everyone can then have a job with mining taking the Private wealth of the piggy Mining magnates of course ,i mean why are all mining magnates so outrageously OBESE!

Oh thats right feeding ones face whilst doing nothing means getting OBESE.

yes Australian Capitialists the Mining ones Particularly,are Fat Capitialist PIGS.

Originally Posted by culldav

I agree with the Union Jack Symbolising colonisation. The English did not come to Australia to pick wild flowers and have a bloody picnic - they came to conquer in one form or another.

Being born here, I classify Australia as my country, but I also have the intellect to comprehend that I don't own any inanimate object like dirt in this country.

now in our 'enlightened times post -Colonial' except for modern nations like Australlia, sorry ,Gillard emphasis,the Capitialist Class is that historically insignificant and pathetic that we are still nominally a Colony of English Monarchy,circa 2012 and counting.

Some Australians like Gina Rhinehart own whole mountain Rangers of Australia.its called the Pillbara Ranges in the state of Western Australia ,funny you should say dirt .see it is not unknown that the very earth that comprises a soil of a nation is concidered National property but not in good old OZ .No we don't have nationalised Nothing ,gee ,imagine if the government recieved for the people's intrests all the profit currently pumping out of the Coal and Iron ore mines ?

I don't mean the Capitialist kind of government in Canberra ,I mean a Workers Government BTW.

Gina Rhinehardts, wealth personal bank account kind wealth will be est at 70 Billion in the next decade.Currently $18 bn

Combined mining company wealth is est at $450 bn or $US 500 bn.thats profit over and above reinvestment and cost of production.

gee, imagine that used to solve social want of the people.Seems the wealth is going to not many at all.

such natural wealth squandered into Money Markets, Commodity markets ,obese individual Capitialist bank accounts ,Transnational corporations and Banks.everyone but the people of the Place gets a cut .including backhanders to Government officals and ministers.