Thread: The demise of the Labor Party in Australia.

Greetings and salutations one and all....I'm back to sink the slipper into the Queen of the Trolls and
all her supporters.

You will recall some time ago I predicted that Anna Bligh would be the second State Labor Premier
to be kicked out of office, after that muppet in NSW. Guess what...the Bligh Government wasnt just kicked out...
it was unceremoniously kicked out...how many seats did they get....3 or 4...even "Mad" Bob Katters party
got more...

The Queen of the Trolls will be next and the Labor Party will sink into the slimy depths of the Parliamentary
mud-heap, never to be seen again....well at least for 10/20 years or so....

Labor is on the nose in Australia, and anyone that supports the party is a mug...

Cheers all...

Good to see we are re-hashing the same old boring and tired arguments, we wouldn't want new fresh thought here would we?

On another thread I posted this, it is nearly as relevant here.

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Unfortunately, like a lot of politicions, Australians in general, a lot of the media and a lot of bloggers here, concern, outdated ideas, returning to the "Good Ol Days", burying our heads in the sand etc will do no good.

We need forward thinkers, not 5 years ahead, not 10 or 20. We need people who think 50 - 100 years ahead.

We need "Snowy Mountain Scheme", across Australia freeways, railways thinkers. We need renewable, sustainable, conservational, save our asses before it's too late thinkers.

We need bold brazen people who will stand up for air, water, vegetation, wildlife for without them this is just a big cold lump of iron.

We need people that are not only willing, but able to think and move ... "Outside the Square"; innovative, daring, driven, passionate people with forethought and initiative.

Now I ask you honestly, is that Abbott and his crew, I think not....

The Labor government could do better. The Labor Party could do a lot better. The Labor Party has been taken over by middle-class careerists and as such it has lost touch with working people. Until there is a renaissance of labourism in the Labor Party it will lose voters to the Coalition (the conservative working class voter) while the middle-class voter will go to the Greens. Perhaps the Labor Party should fold and a new social democratic party with close links to the working class be created in its stead. That will take years of work.

As for the Coalition. Marching into the past is the best way I can describe their policies, what they have anyway. If they win the next federal election then we will see Australia going backwards, retreating behind Howard's white picket fence. The only good thing about the conservative State governments in place now is that come the federal election the failures of those conservative state governments will be apparent and people will see that a vote for the federal Coalition is a vote for a reactionary, do-nothing policy set.

Originally Posted by Diuretic

The Labor government could do better. The Labor Party could do a lot better. The Labor Party has been taken over by middle-class careerists and as such it has lost touch with working people. Until there is a renaissance of labourism in the Labor Party it will lose voters to the Coalition (the conservative working class voter) while the middle-class voter will go to the Greens. Perhaps the Labor Party should fold and a new social democratic party with close links to the working class be created in its stead. That will take years of work.

As for the Coalition. Marching into the past is the best way I can describe their policies, what they have anyway. If they win the next federal election then we will see Australia going backwards, retreating behind Howard's white picket fence. The only good thing about the conservative State governments in place now is that come the federal election the failures of those conservative state governments will be apparent and people will see that a vote for the federal Coalition is a vote for a reactionary, do-nothing policy set.

Labour doesn`t represent ordinary people any more. Only people simple enough to believe that the unions are there to look after the ordinary working people, would believe such obvious lies.

Originally Posted by aussiefree2ride

Labour doesn`t represent ordinary people any more. Only people simple enough to believe that the unions are there to look after the ordinary working people, would believe such obvious lies.

I've made clear my thoughts on the Labor Party. As for unions, their reason for existence is to look after ordinary working people. Those that don't fulfill that role should be subjected to a thorough clean-out by their members.The Coalition is not interested in protecting working people or the disadvantaged.

I voted for Gillard mainly because she said

"THERE WOULD BE NO CARBON TAX......."

I have always voted for labor.

But this time for the first time ever i'm voting liberal for Tony Abbott even though he is an ninkompoop.

If he promises to unchain us all from the financial slavery the Gillard's and Brown's carbon tax is going to bring home to us all he has my vote.

Because of that lieing red headed bafoon Gillard Labor will be out of office for at least 20 years imo.

If someone can tell me how buying & selling pollution is futuristic or a way forward; then I’m all ears. LOL

This incompetent moronic Government doesn’t even know how much Australian land is owned by foreign Governments or foreign companies, and then they and other are now suggest that the coalition is going to take this country backwards. LOL LOL LOL

Maybe stopping foreign Governments buying & owning your prime agricultural land “might” be a good step forward. LOL LOL

Maybe instead of dishing out $billions in subsidises to foreign owned car companies, it “might” be wiser to buy out the interest of those companies, so all the profits stay in YOUR country and go to YOUR people.

Maybe when a foreign owned company abandons your workers and takes its business to another country, you could place a import tax on their products.

Maybe retailers could be given some tax incentive or rewards for using Australian made and grown agricultural produce over imported produce.

My mother voted Labor all her adult her. As she stated the other night, for the past 20 or so years the ethos of the Labor Party has been hijacked by common union and back room thugs (like Mark Arbib) who’s only interest is getting themselves richer and socially powerful off the employers & workers backs. As she said: “the difference between the union run Labor party and the Sicilian mafia is zero”.

Originally Posted by Diuretic

I've made clear my thoughts on the Labor Party. As for unions, their reason for existence is to look after ordinary working people. Those that don't fulfill that role should be subjected to a thorough clean-out by their members.The Coalition is not interested in protecting working people or the disadvantaged.

Unions have always been corrupt rake off systems. Admittedly, there have been instances where unions have "supported" workers fighting for a fair deal, although in reality it was the actually workers who supported the union rake off artists who never missed one minute`s pay. People are waking up to the old "you keep paying me to whisper sweet nothings in your ear, while you starve" scam, people are starting to lose that glassy eyed stare, and think for themselves. Unions have amassed massive assett portfolios, all at the expense of their members. Union fat cats lay back and lick the cream out of the dish, while their members work, and pay for their privilege. The unions own the ALP. The greens are beginning to poke their noses into the though.

It`s one to thing to be shafted, it happens to all of us, but it`s another thing to keep copping a shafting, while applauding your shafter.

You've a darkly prejudiced view of unions and unionism, but you're entitled to that view. General smears though are not a substitute for substance.

A few weeks ago I had lunch with Jack Mundey, once the firebrand leader of the old Builders' Labourers Federation and the great activist who saved so much of historic Sydney from the bulldozer and the wrecking ball back in the 1970s.

Whatever you thought of Jack's politics - yes, I know he was a Communist - there was no doubting his commitment to the trade union movement, the rights of its workers, and what he believed to be the public good. He was tough but honest. He never took a dollar he wasn't entitled to. When his blokes went on strike he and his officials had their pay stopped as well, to share the hardship.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politi...413-1wylh.html

Just one example. I could produce more but a single specific example suffices to deal with your general smears.

The truth is that most unions are run democratically. Some are fiefdoms and those that are should be cleaned out.

The Coalition would like to see all unions disbanded, not because of any alleged improprieties, but because the very existence of collectives of working people is anathema to the Coalition.

Originally Posted by culldav

If someone can tell me how buying & selling pollution is futuristic or a way forward; then I’m all ears. LOL

This incompetent moronic Government doesn’t even know how much Australian land is owned by foreign Governments or foreign companies, and then they and other are now suggest that the coalition is going to take this country backwards. LOL LOL LOL

Maybe stopping foreign Governments buying & owning your prime agricultural land “might” be a good step forward. LOL LOL

Maybe instead of dishing out $billions in subsidises to foreign owned car companies, it “might” be wiser to buy out the interest of those companies, so all the profits stay in YOUR country and go to YOUR people.

Maybe when a foreign owned company abandons your workers and takes its business to another country, you could place a import tax on their products.

Maybe retailers could be given some tax incentive or rewards for using Australian made and grown agricultural produce over imported produce.

My mother voted Labor all her adult her. As she stated the other night, for the past 20 or so years the ethos of the Labor Party has been hijacked by common union and back room thugs (like Mark Arbib) who’s only interest is getting themselves richer and socially powerful off the employers & workers backs. As she said: “the difference between the union run Labor party and the Sicilian mafia is zero”.

So the government is selling land to oeas powers is it, or is it Aussies selling our country for profit?