Thread: Experts Say Carbon Pricing is Good

Originally Posted by dumbanddumber

Anything that has to do with financial markets, bankers, corporations and globalists will be manipulated by the same.

In the end the whole purpose of the carbon tax/ETS will be lost and profit margins and hedge funds will rule the roost.

But dont take my word for it, lets wait and see.

Thats why the Gillard Labor/Green government will be remembered as the worst in our history.

Ok cool. So don't vote for Abbott then.

Originally Posted by Ziggy Stardust

Ok cool. So don't vote for Abbott then.

Nincompoops may open their mouths and say the wrong things at the wrong times BUT it doesn't mean they are traitors.

For all his negativety that fact that he (Abbott) has sworn a blood oath to get rid of the carbon tax / ETS which places every man woman and child in to financial slavery is good enough to get my vote.

The carbon tax / ETS is a direct assault on our standard of living through the use of energy, and we all know that if you take away cheap energy there would be no standard of living.

The Gillard Labor/Green governments are traitors that have sold our sovereignty on the use of energy in our country to the pigs that run the United nations and all their subsidiary companies.

Bring on Abbott i say.

So you're saying, that we shouldn't "wait and see" like you told us to do in your last post?

If you're arguing that our cost of living will go up under the ETS, why do you think it won't under Abbott's direct action? The productivity commission, and Garnaut Report, say that "direct action" will cost MORE than an ETS in the long run. So why do you support it?

And an ETS has nothing to do with sovereignty.

Originally Posted by dumbanddumber

Nincompoops may open their mouths and say the wrong things at the wrong times BUT it doesn't mean they are traitors.

For all his negativety that fact that he (Abbott) has sworn a blood oath to get rid of the carbon tax / ETS which places every man woman and child in to financial slavery is good enough to get my vote.

The carbon tax / ETS is a direct assault on our standard of living through the use of energy, and we all know that if you take away cheap energy there would be no standard of living.

The Gillard Labor/Green governments are traitors that have sold our sovereignty on the use of energy in our country to the pigs that run the United nations and all their subsidiary companies.

Bring on Abbott i say.

You profess to be of a left persuasion. This was definitely a ploy to entice the unwitting to believe your BS right wing rhetoric. Ziggy says it all in his last post.

I think we can all agree on one thing.....humans are destroying their environment at a rapid rate. Will an ETS or direct action have any effect at all on a global basis ? Not without the big polluters on board. Do we lead by example ? Maybe, but I highly doubt we figure in the thoughts of China and the States.

One thing for sure is that it ain't gonna get better if we don't change somethin'.

I love the environment, but I am not an environmentalist. I know however that we can't keep digging up the planet and expect it to remain pristine. I hope that Australia can set a world precedent that other nations can adopt in times ahead, I just can't see it happening. The world is far too selfish for that.

I see big business monopolys as a far greater threat to cost of living than environmental taxes. In the past it was small business that regulated Big business, but with the number of small businesses dwindling and the larger share of the market that big business is demanding, that balance is eroding........dangerously. You see the plan is that all small businesses die and then big business take full control and prices esculate. How do they do this ? Through us as consumers. They prey on our greed and selfish natures. We all want something for nothing. Ask yourself when was the last time you wondered why the Australian made product was much more expensive than the cheap Asian knockoff ? The effect is that we now have next to no local manufacturing. Therefore a lack of jobs for the low educated in our society. I could go on and on. We are our own worst enemies.

So for me when it comes to rising costs of living I feel far more threatened by Big business Monopoly than by environmental taxes.

You would to be a sanctimonious, pompous, self-righteous idiot to believe that unless the major polluters like China & the USA come to the table and seriously discuss drastic pollution reduction; then the planet is in big trouble. Some minor functionary like Australia reducing carbon emissions by 0.0004% over 18 years that will have “NO” impact on stopping or reducing overall global warming is a shear nonsense.

To even suggest Australia could influence other major polluting countries on the world stage is simply a ridiculous analogy.

The only thing Australia is showing the International community and the other major polluters, is exactly how stupid and dumb Australia is, by reducing carbon emissions and achieving “nothing” as a result to reducing or stopping the rise of global temperature.

If Australians don’t start thinking beyond the square of just living off the financial wealth of its natural mining resources, then the whole country its doomed to become one toxic contaminated strip mine.

The problem Australians face, is that Australian politicians are no loner willing to fight and protect Australia or the Australian people. They want everything too easy, and go around crying to the Australian people at every opportunity saying Australia cannot compete with other cheaper manufacturing Asian countries. Maybe if they considering putting an import tax on the cheap goods coming into Australia from these countries, then Australian manufacturing would be able to compete at a consumer level.

A small packet of Australian wheat-bix in China is around $6.00AUS, because its hit with a really heavy import tax; they don’t want our products competing with theirs, but Australia lets cheap nasty (sometimes toxic) Chinese products “flood” our consumer markets unchecked with little import tax.

I hate to think how worse off Australia and Australians are going to be when these cruddy sleazy politicians sign Australia up to the FTA’s with Indonesia and Malaysia.