Thread: Embarrassing Julia

Originally Posted by slipperyfish

I am grinning as I type at your love of the Libs. Lol. And yes it is just left of centre, but it should be as it is Labor. This tends to benefit socially driven projects rather than economic stability. This isn't new as history will show.

I disagree......economic stability is crucial to the very base of labors constituency. The huge difference between the 2 is that one thinks there should be one winner and the other thinks that there should be numerous winners!

Originally Posted by truthvigilante

I disagree......economic stability is crucial to the very base of labors constituency. The huge difference between the 2 is that one thinks there should be one winner and the other thinks that there should be numerous winners!

Firstly I want to clear something up. After re reading my post, which was done after my bedtime on my phone, I meant to say.....Labor generally use socially driven projects to stabilise their economic standpoint, whereas the Libs use fiscal economic policy on a more global standpoint. Both are different approaches.

Outside of the NBN, can anybody tell me the last major infrastructure project either of these parties have embarked on. There seems to be a lot of selling of assets but to me very little creating of assets.

Originally Posted by slipperyfish

Firstly I want to clear something up. After re reading my post, which was done after my bedtime on my phone, I meant to say.....Labor generally use socially driven projects to stabilise their economic standpoint, whereas the Libs use fiscal economic policy on a more global standpoint. Both are different approaches.

Outside of the NBN, can anybody tell me the last major infrastructure project either of these parties have embarked on. There seems to be a lot of selling of assets but to me very little creating of assets.

Besides the disastrous NBN, you would have to go back the “Snowy Mountains Scheme” completed in 1974, to find a project the Australian politicians have build for the people - that’s of course not including the basics, like hospitals and some roads.

These politicians are constantly crying “poor-mouth” but when was the last time they purchased something of value for the Australians people to make a profit on? You cannot not make profits and accumulate wealth when you “DON’T” buy anything of value or invest in your own countries best interest.

Just recently, this moronic troll queen handed over $500million dollars of tax payer funded subsidises to a couple of foreign car manufactures to keep Australian jobs, but wouldn’t it have been more profitable for Australians and these workers in the industry if that $500million went into buying “shares” in those companies, instead of just handing over Australian tax payer money, and seeing it got offshore to prop up the parent company overseas. Politicians have got their heads so far up their own arse’s that they cannot distinguish reality form fantast anymore?

If a 12yo can see that buying shares in these companies will see a profitable return rather that just squandering money on subsidises with no returns - then why these “drop-kick” politicians cannot see it is beyond me.

The truth of the matter is, that these parasite politicians just want a free ride, and are just to lazy to do any hard work for the people.

Originally Posted by truthvigilante

The EU, USA, UK and Japan have low foreign ownership apparently. These economies are absolutely caput at present..........hmmmmmmm!

still waiting for you to answer: "how Australia is going to support its growing population when it manufactures nothing, owns nothing, and has nothing left to dig up and sell"?

Suggesting the Australian economy is good because it doesn't own or manufacture anything is a false premise.

Originally Posted by culldav

still waiting for you to answer: "how Australia is going to support its growing population when it manufactures nothing, owns nothing, and has nothing left to dig up and sell"? .

Hey, I've got a good idea!!! What if the government introduces a carbon price/ets system, and use billions of dollars to innovate renewable energy! This is a growing industry. When gas, oil and coals run out we'll still be able to heat our houses, drive our cars and run our businesses! I reckon this will be a massive industry, don't you think?

Originally Posted by culldav

Suggesting the Australian economy is good because it doesn't own or manufacture anything is a false premise.

If Australia has sold 90% of its assets to foreign interests and is in a much better position than the EU, USA, UK and Japan who have low foreign ownership, then ummm.......what is this saying? I don't know the answer - just saying! Do you have an educated understanding of this situation?

Vigilante that may be a better position for now, but what do we do in the future ? Band aid solutions are exactly that, band aid.

You see the world doesn't stop with our generation, you know this as you have used this as part of your argument for environmental change. Yes there will be renewable energy, but who will make the products ? Us. I don't think so. $25 dollar an hour Aussie labour v's $25 a week Chinese labour ! You would be kidding yourself if you think Australia would lead that manufacturing task. Manufacturing in this country is near on dead. It will happen in our lifetime when our welfare industry, and I call it that with sarcasm, will be the biggest employer.

I agree with Culldav. What will happen when we have dug up and sold our last remaining assett ? What will we produce, sell, or create to offer the world ?

Originally Posted by truthvigilante

Hey, I've got a good idea!!! What if the government introduces a carbon price/ets system, and use billions of dollars to innovate renewable energy! This is a growing industry. When gas, oil and coals run out we'll still be able to heat our houses, drive our cars and run our businesses! I reckon this will be a massive industry, don't you think?



If Australia has sold 90% of its assets to foreign interests and is in a much better position than the EU, USA, UK and Japan who have low foreign ownership, then ummm.......what is this saying? I don't know the answer - just saying! Do you have an educated understanding of this situation?

You think that throwing $billions from the carbon tax into introducing renewable industries is going to sustain Australia. Then I would seriously suggest you google SPAIN, because they did that, and are now almost bankrupt. Each new renewable job in the green energy market cost them nearly $800,000 to produce with a return of $100,000 LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL Is this really the same path you want Australia to go down? LOL LOL

Originally Posted by truthvigilante

Hey, I've got a good idea!!! What if the government introduces a carbon price/ets system, and use billions of dollars to innovate renewable energy! This is a growing industry. When gas, oil and coals run out we'll still be able to heat our houses, drive our cars and run our businesses! I reckon this will be a massive industry, don't you think?



If Australia has sold 90% of its assets to foreign interests and is in a much better position than the EU, USA, UK and Japan who have low foreign ownership, then ummm.......what is this saying? I don't know the answer - just saying! Do you have an educated understanding of this situation?

You think that throwing $billions from the carbon tax into introducing renewable industries is going to sustain Australia. Then I would seriously suggest you google SPAIN, because they did that, and are now almost bankrupt. Each new renewable job in the green energy market cost them nearly $800,000 to produce with a return of $100,000 LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL Is this really the same path you want Australia to go down? LOL LOL

Originally Posted by culldav

You think that throwing $billions from the carbon tax into introducing renewable industries is going to sustain Australia. Then I would seriously suggest you google SPAIN, because they did that, and are now almost bankrupt. Each new renewable job in the green energy market cost them nearly $800,000 to produce with a return of $100,000 LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL Is this really the same path you want Australia to go down? LOL LOL

Advanced manufacturing is going to support the industry for sure. Just imagine if we didn't have the recession that we had to have!

Originally Posted by slipperyfish

Outside of the NBN, can anybody tell me the last major infrastructure project either of these parties have embarked on. There seems to be a lot of selling of assets but to me very little creating of assets.

Halls for school program was an infrastructure program, and although poorly executed and managed, but an extremely GOOD plan.

Duplication of the HUME highway another, although the duplication of the pacific highway might end up in foreign hands.

New dams, to replace aging infrastructure with up grades and so on. many you do not hear about.

But I will give the ALP one thing, even though Howard's government did very little for infrastructure. Labor, regardless of reason or management pumped huge amounts of money into infrastructure.