Thread: Don`t lie about the carbon tax !

Originally Posted by garry17

Now CULLDAV I must draw your attention to this. Fuel will not attract a carbon tax until 2013 (or maybe 2014)

BUT
http://www.cleanenergyfuture.gov.au/transport-fuels/

So changes to fuel excise will also be increased to account for carbon tax not being implamented straight away.

Doesn`t matter, the real cost of the carbon tax on goods will be so hard to calculate, and retailers will be so afraid of prosecution if they state carbon tax imposed price rises & can`t prove their figures in court, that it`ll be impossible to tell the truth about the cost of the carbon tax. Everything will be all good providing the truth is crushed. NOT!

Originally Posted by aussiefree2ride

Doesn`t matter, the real cost of the carbon tax on goods will be so hard to calculate, and retailers will be so afraid of prosecution if they state carbon tax imposed price rises & can`t prove their figures in court, that it`ll be impossible to tell the truth about the cost of the carbon tax. Everything will be all good providing the truth is crushed. NOT!

Yes, truth will definitely be crushed. More of a socialist action to attempt to hide from the accountability of the voter. The government have not the knowledge of what this will cost the people of Australia, yet they will attempt to surppress the information that the people need to ascertain the real cost to themselves, rather than be told by politicians, whatever they like. Howard made that very mistake, in the later years of his governance, by telling everybody 'they never had it as good', while they watch the slow decay of living standards in Australia. NOW, this carbon tax, will spell, a speed up in that decay (which actually maybe needed) while the government intends to be the only people to tell you 'how great things are going'

Of course there will be increases through indirect pressure, and later a direct cost, but the fact that Australians will continue to criticise the Fuel companies for something that is really the caused by the government is missed on most.

AND THAT IS HOW LABOR WANT IT.

Talked my mate scoop last night regarding the rumour Wayne Swan was not going to run in his seat in the next election. He said he hasn't heard anything in regards to that other than the polling in that seat is pretty bad for Swanny.

He did however say that there has been rumbling from Labors back bench in regards to the Carbon Tax. Now this is just rumour remember and from a liberal supporter, so take from it what you will. The tax did not have the majority of the support from within the party and those back benchers that were against it were quickly told to toe the line or else. They are still not happy and momentum is building, not only against Gillard but a swag of front benchers with a God complex. Scoops words, not mine.

He doubts anything will come from it this close out from an election, but they are deeply fractured party.

Wait and see. Could be a great campaign.

Sorry guys, meant to say 2013/14. 2012 was a typo error.

Originally Posted by m2catter

aussiefreeride,
your threads are sickening,
just stop the boats is one of them, maybe if we stop heading to unjustified wars we wouldn't have so many people knocking on our doors. If the West realizes that the permanent growth of the economy is not the answer, those people one day stand a chance......
Don't lie about the carbon tax: Climate change is not a lie, and we need to fight its aftermath...
Embarrasing Julia, no one is so embarrasing like Tony Abbotts, a real clown, distend to catapult Australia back into medievel times. Right wingers really suck, sorry mate....

Someone has to make the hard decisions for all Australians. Misinformation and fear are the only weapons the liberal party and its supporters have.
Aussie is certainly entitled to express his opinion.

My opinion is;
Howard never stopped any boats he turned em back. Rather the navy did at taxpayers expense and at the risk of the lives and the mental health and morals of the personnel and refugees involved all kept secret from the Australia people.
A carbon tax in Australia may not stop global warming. To attempt to suggest it is fruitless to even try and that Australia's efforts haven't already inspired and are being closely watched by countries the world over in hope is disgusting. To suggest that we don't lead but rather follow meekly is just typical of procrastinating do nothings.
To misinform and fear monger is malicious and self serving.

Originally Posted by gobsmacked

Someone has to make the hard decisions for all Australians. Misinformation and fear are the only weapons the liberal party and its supporters have.
Aussie is certainly entitled to express his opinion.

My opinion is;
Howard never stopped any boats he turned em back. Rather the navy did at taxpayers expense and at the risk of the lives and the mental health and morals of the personnel and refugees involved all kept secret from the Australia people.
A carbon tax in Australia may not stop global warming. To attempt to suggest it is fruitless to even try and that Australia's efforts haven't already inspired and are being closely watched by countries the world over in hope is disgusting. To suggest that we don't lead but rather follow meekly is just typical of procrastinating do nothings.
To misinform and fear monger is malicious and self serving.

Excellent reply......

Originally Posted by gobsmacked

Someone has to make the hard decisions for all Australians. Misinformation and fear are the only weapons the liberal party and its supporters have.
Aussie is certainly entitled to express his opinion.

My opinion is;
Howard never stopped any boats he turned em back. Rather the navy did at taxpayers expense and at the risk of the lives and the mental health and morals of the personnel and refugees involved all kept secret from the Australia people.
A carbon tax in Australia may not stop global warming. To attempt to suggest it is fruitless to even try and that Australia's efforts haven't already inspired and are being closely watched by countries the world over in hope is disgusting. To suggest that we don't lead but rather follow meekly is just typical of procrastinating do nothings.
To misinform and fear monger is malicious and self serving.

"Misinformation and fear are the only weapons the liberal party and its supporters have". Thanks Gobsmacked for showing us all the light. Evil Libs !

Go Labor put them in their place. All the ALP should be cannonised. Wonderful truthfull saints that they are.

Please gimme a break !

"To misinform and fear monger is malicious and self serving". Do you not remember the lead up to the GST ? Serious double standards here. Both parties are as bad as each other. Both parties stink just the same, and use the same tricks.

Originally Posted by slipperyfish

"Misinformation and fear are the only weapons the liberal party and its supporters have". Thanks Gobsmacked for showing us all the light. Evil Libs !

Go Labor put them in their place. All the ALP should be cannonised. Wonderful truthfull saints that they are.

Please gimme a break !

"To misinform and fear monger is malicious and self serving". Do you not remember the lead up to the GST ? Serious double standards here. Both parties are as bad as each other. Both parties stink just the same, and use the same tricks.

Sarcasm is not becoming, it shows you have run out of argument.

Originally Posted by DominorVobis

Sarcasm is not becoming, it shows you have run out of argument.

DV I sometimes run out of patience with double standards from both sides. I find it rich to accuse someone of something all the while do the very thing your accusing them of.

Originally Posted by slipperyfish

"Misinformation and fear are the only weapons the liberal party and its supporters have". Thanks Gobsmacked for showing us all the light. Evil Libs !

Go Labor put them in their place. All the ALP should be cannonised. Wonderful truthfull saints that they are.

Please gimme a break !

"To misinform and fear monger is malicious and self serving". Do you not remember the lead up to the GST ? Serious double standards here. Both parties are as bad as each other. Both parties stink just the same, and use the same tricks.

Slippery, I'm sure you and I and everyone at the time can be truthful in saying that despite the fact that labor played opposition during gst, they did not delve to the depths of the current opposition, which is seemingly wanting Australia to go under to validate their point. I'm sure another GFC will be blamed on the price on carbon, that is the extent these guys are going to. How about the opposition simply say," we don't think it will be good for the country", and then when all is said and done, simply let it slide by or say"I told you so". How destructive is this for the confidence of Australia, especially when it is likely to have little impact as is predicted by all experts. Abbott is a destructive force in Australian politics and not based on any decisions he makes like gillard and labor but because that is his manner, which most Australians see through. Many that tick "yes" for Abbott in the polls do so out of spite for gillard. So with that taken into account, she is still in a pretty good position while Abbott is opposition leader.