Thread: Do you support a tax on plastic containers?

Originally Posted by slipperyfish

not everyone will seek the refund, I think they work off 10 to 20 %.

Magoo do you think they treat us like kids because we behave like kids ? Think about it in general, we always look to blame someone else, we refuse to take responsibility for our own lives, and we put a bloke into the top job because his slogan was Kevin 07. Lol.

Really, they treat us like kids because we allow them. Allowing insurance companies to evade paying their responsibility. should they find fault. Governments pandering to big business has allowed accountability to be moved away from where it should be. Look around you, Laws are created to find blame. Workcover logo "there is no such thing as an accident" Government has began a culture of laying blame to aid the help of big business, NOT the people. It only stands that people will adopt the same attitude.

Let us put an example to you, a car travelling at high speed in fog, runs a stop sign, and slams into another car. the car he has hit has, what the law considers, a bald tire, who is at fault? according to the laws, the car that was hit is. Do you know why?

Plastics are filling our lives, it is the fault of the people for using them? Let us hold them accountable. Fact is, before the plastic bags paperbags and boxes where the norm. Let us return to them. Oh wait, they are made from trees, that was the Green complaint, for going to plastic bags to begin with. let us just pile the food in a troph and eat from that that will be environmentally friendly, then we can blame the sources of the food for food poisoning. Where does it end?

Please, bring some sense back to the world. Stop the rot, of the government treating the people who chose to represent them as pawns. They really can not be excused for introducing stupid regulations and taxes in the assumption, that it is the best for the world.

garry17
You have me intrigued...can you elaborate on the accident in the fog....seems clearcut negligence by the driver
running the stop sign to me.....

So Garry who is to blame for the government......they didn't get there by themselves.

Frivolous law suits came about from frivolous claims ? Not by a government, by an individual against another individual. If a claim wasn't made a precedent would not of been set and a law wouldn't be passed. So where did this start ? Everything has an origin. Some individual has to come up with it. The problem is we all follow and without question.

Governments and law makers can only be held responsible for exploiting the problem, not creating it !

Originally Posted by mister magoo

garry17
You have me intrigued...can you elaborate on the accident in the fog....seems clearcut negligence by the driver
running the stop sign to me.....

The Legal system would consign blame to the driver that was hit. According to the Law, the car that had the bald tyre should not be on the road. Therefore the Accident could not have occurred. Forget the fact that it could easily be somebody else, that the driver who should be at blame for not only running a stop sign but for not driving to conditions. Insurance will not pay, because it is a faulty car, and the Legal system, governed by laws created by our politicians, accept this as reasonable.

What are the contributung causes of accidents? Speed, fatigue and substance abuse. Nothing about, just stupid, people who think they are Peter perfect behind the wheel. The law decides, should anything else be contributing, means that the vehicle should not be on the road, therefore an accident can not occur.

Originally Posted by garry17

The Legal system would consign blame to the driver that was hit. According to the Law, the car that had the bald tyre should not be on the road. Therefore the Accident could not have occurred. Forget the fact that it could easily be somebody else, that the driver who should be at blame for not only running a stop sign but for not driving to conditions. Insurance will not pay, because it is a faulty car, and the Legal system, governed by laws created by our politicians, accept this as reasonable.

What are the contributung causes of accidents? Speed, fatigue and substance abuse. Nothing about, just stupid, people who think they are Peter perfect behind the wheel. The law decides, should anything else be contributing, means that the vehicle should not be on the road, therefore an accident can not occur.

What a load of crap.

The law decides based on the evidence before the court...your statement is a load of bollocks based on generalisations
and opinions...give us the facts of a case mate, and then a decision can be made as to who is at fault, just like
a decision is made in a court of law......

Originally Posted by slipperyfish

So Garry who is to blame for the government......they didn't get there by themselves.

We all are, for accepting this type of people and then defending them, regardless of what is good or bad. People do not consider the entire actions of politicians because basically, they have lost the initiative.

Originally Posted by slipperyfish

Frivolous law suits came about from frivolous claims ? Not by a government, by an individual against another individual. If a claim wasn't made a precedent would not of been set and a law wouldn't be passed. So where did this start ? Everything has an origin. Some individual has to come up with it. The problem is we all follow and without question.

This started with the politicians meandering to the big business. You are right that frivolous law suits, but the problem is, they are no longer frivolous once they reach court. To set a precedent, that law suit needs to reach a high enough court level. They must survive many levels. Frivolous Law suits do not usually set precedence at all.

That fact that in the 80's The highest litigation figures in the world came from Australia, is most impressive. Due to the fact that everybody considers that the US are law suit happy. They do have some strange cases, but Australia has far more frivolous claims. The law in the 80's did not hear such cases, due to the fact that, they where frivolous. However, with government changing the law, meaning that now we have to have a scalp, means that now, everything needs to be taken into account.

NSW, now is considering fining people for breaking down on the road, because the maintenance has not been done correctly. Well, let us face it, if you just get some shoddy work done from a mechanic, how the hell are you going to know? You will have to be a mechanic, to know. As you are not a mechanic, should you do anything other than check the fluids in you car, then you are liable for anything that might occur after your trip to the workshop, meaning the mechanic who fixed the fault the first time, need not be accountable. Governments, have made this so difficult that, the only person who is left is the poor person that expects the job to be done right to begin with. Governments, now have to make laws to further complicate the issue to insure the best for the people. When will this happen? when one of them klingons get into trouble for it, you know those rich fanatical people who hang from the government, telling them what they should do.

Originally Posted by slipperyfish

Governments and law makers can only be held responsible for exploiting the problem, not creating it !

When governments create Laws, that shift blame, Yes we should be blaming them. After all the government are the Law makers. Just for your clarification, Nobody, but the government can create laws. When you talk about the LAW MAKERS, I gather you assume bureaucrates, No government department can make a law. They do, however, write the law and hand it to government to enact the law. As workcover found out, when they introduced the Blue card to transport, the court ruled against them, under that very same pretence. It is about time, people should not just accept that bureaucrates are working in the best interests of the people, because they are not. They spend many hours of the day, trying to justify their job, for themselves.

Are you talking about foam carryouts? Or just plastic in general... rubbermaid, tupperware, glad, plastic bags and ziplocs, trashbags, plastic bottles, plastic milk cartons, juice cartons...etc etc. etc.

What. Is this how the feds are gonna get us to buy less? lose weight? die off?

You can't satisfy a greenie. We gave up paper bags and paper cups etc. Went to plastic. That is just a mess but necessary. Now WHAT? Shall we carry around glass containers? tin? Till they figure out they need to tax that too?

With this last ruling by the SC, the constitution is nothing, freedom, your rights...it means nothing...cause there is virtually NOTHING that they can't do to us.

Originally Posted by mister magoo

What a load of crap.

The law decides based on the evidence before the court...your statement is a load of bollocks based on generalisations
and opinions...give us the facts of a case mate, and then a decision can be made as to who is at fault, just like
a decision is made in a court of law......

Well, should you ever fond yourself in similar situation, you can challange it yourself, and find out exactly what you are talking about.

Ok, I will give you a well known case. A truck travelling through blanchtown SA, a car travels through a stop sign and runs into the truck, KILLING all occupants. Who was held accountable? The truck driver. As he was considered, not able to be legally at the place the accident took place, due to the hours he had remaining to drive.

You do not like, that a person can be held accountable, due to the LAW saying, should anything be wrong, the car can not be legally on the road?

And something you seemed not to understand, the decision is made from evidence presented in court, not all the evidence, as you assume.

Originally Posted by MisLed

Are you talking about foam carryouts? Or just plastic in general... rubbermaid, tupperware, glad, plastic bags and ziplocs, trashbags, plastic bottles, plastic milk cartons, juice cartons...etc etc. etc.

What. Is this how the feds are gonna get us to buy less? lose weight? die off?

Mate, in Australia, they'll tax anything.....Im waiting for a tax for taking a slash......(Aussie slang for urinating)